Thursday, November 15, 2012

Methodists ain't what they used to be

As most readers here will probably be aware, there are some pretty wishy-washy Methodists in America these days.  Some branches could just as well be called the Church of Political Correctness.  They are just as bad in Australia, though they are no longer called Methodists there any more.  In 1977 they absorbed some congregations from other denominations and renamed themselves the Uniting church.

They have a theological seminary in Sydney called the UTC.  They claim that the UTC vibrates and that it believes in "a biblical witness open to ongoing scholarship and contemporary insight".  In other words, ditch that silly old Bible if it doesn't suit you.   Vibrate instead?

Canadian Andrew Fraser must be a masochist of sorts.  He is a retired law professor who was booted out of his teaching job at an Australian university because he dared to mention publicly the usual academic research findings about African IQ.  Nobody tried to argue with him on the facts.  They couldn't. They just abused him and said he was guilty of hate speech.  A summary of events here

And it appears that Andrew may also be religious.  He enrolled in a course at UTC!  But he did something intolerable there.  In one of his student essays, he defended the Bible and its teachings as the word of God!  Heresy! 

They couldn't really fail him over that so they withheld his marks for a year and then gave him the lowest possible pass mark.   He is challenging his assessment in front of a tribunal but I dont like his chances.  Saying that the Bible is the word of God is not allowed in today's Methodist church!  The Wesley brothers would be amazed.

Andrew gives detail of his fight with them here


Anonymous said...

Just yet more religious wackery. So entertaining.

Bird of Paradise said...

The evils of athiesim and darwinists poppycock and nuts like annon 1:46

Anonymous said...

So basically, UTC has a Bible course that, after the second week, asks you to assess your view of the Bible as "the Word of God" with the assumption being that if you started the course believing that the Bible is the Word of God, that the course has presented materials sufficient to change your mind. And if you have not changed your mind, you get marked down for it for failing to embrace the teachings. How pathetic.

This guy would be better off just claiming he is a Muslim. He'd get high marks from that point on.

Anonymous said...

"Political correctness is a far greater threat to our freedom and liberty than is terrorism..."

Anonymous said...

Well there is nothing in the Bible suggesting divine intelligence or anything that wasn't beyond the intellect or knowledge of humans living in those times. God would also not have written or inspired contradictory morality or confusing information that have led people to literally fight over its interpretation.

Dean said...

Anon 5:13

Even God could not write or inspire something of which two lawyers couldn't find opposing interpretations. :)

That said, though God inspired scripture, He didn't didn't write them. Imperfect men did. And then other men translated what was written. Several times. What we have now is probably a general outline of what the original writers really said and, as you say, open to many different interpretations.

Use the Name, Luke said...

Even God could not write or inspire something of which two lawyers couldn't find opposing interpretations.

Just look at the 2nd Amendment. It's just about as clearly written as any law could be. It's just a single sentence, yet there are those who twist it to claim that it permits governments to deny "the people" the ability to own any weapons.

A "heckler's veto" is not a sound reason to reject anything.

Go Away Bird said...


Anonymous said...

So just what did God "inspire" in the Bible which people in those days could not have thought up for themselves. And there's nothing very original that previous civilizations hadn't already said including the concept of mono-theism ("not mentioning" the genocide and mass-murder said to be the direct orders of a God or its own imposed punishment).