Atheists or Satanists?
I mentioned the following report on POLITICAL CORRECTNESS WATCH recently and identified it just a bit of attention-seeking silliness. But a reader has pointed out that the "ritual" concerned is very reminiscent of Satanism, which, from what I hear, consists largely of mocking or "reversing" Christian ceremonies -- reciting the Lord's prayer backwards, for instance.
"American atheists lined up to be "de-baptized" in a ritual using a hair dryer, according to a report Friday on U.S. late-night news program "Nightline."
Kagin donned a monk's robe and said a few mock-Latin phrases before inviting those wishing to be de-baptized to "come forward now and receive the spirit of hot air that taketh away the stigma and taketh away the remnants of the stain of baptismal water."
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Even the hot air could be seen as an allusion to the heat of hell. Being an atheist myself, I certainly don't believe that atheism generally leads to Satanism but there are possibly some weak minds who could be tipped in that direction by militant atheism.
Kagin and his "followers" could bear watching by those in a position to do so. "Cultbusters" occasionally do some good for badly misled people.
Kagin or Kagan is however usually a Jewish name so perhaps it is all just another example of Jewish contempt for Christianity (much seen in the ADL and to an extent in the ACLU. The ACLU is about a quarter Jewish and Jews are prominent in it). Most Jews are not religious in general and many are probably atheists.
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Mockery is a fine thing.
"In the real world, people know (and have always known) that generally speaking, most jews are anti-Christian, and in fact, anti any religion other than their own."
---That's a ridiculous assertion. Unlike Muslims, Jews have always know how to get along with a hostile gentile world. I have never seen a Jew demand special treatment, for example, if a Jew doesn't eat pork then he'll order something else on the menu or avoid the restaurant. Good luck getting a Muslim to adapt to your culture.
"It's also a well-known fact that jews are taught never to marry outside of their own religion."
---The same goes for Catholics, if you're a protestant and want to marry a Catholic girl in the Catholic church without converting to her religion, the Church demands that you'll agree to let any future children be raised in the Catholic faith. By the same token.
Of course, religious Jews who take the Bible seriously won't marry outside the faith:
"You shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughter to his son, and you shall not take his daughter for your son, for he will cause your child to turn away from after Me and they will worship the gods of others."
"Deuteronomy 7:3-4,
Besides, if Jews are so bigoted how come 72% of non-orthodox Jews are marrying outside the faith?
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/IntermarriageWhyNot/
Bobby said;
"I have never seen a Jew demand special treatment,"
I think what you meant to say is, "you've never seen a jew who DIDN'T demand special treatment.
No one is as blind as he who refuses to see.
Having abandoned the silliness of supernaturalism a few years ago, I find camaraderie with atheists elusive.
* Many are, in fact, anti-theists whose anti-Christian rhetoric mirrors that of abject racists.
* Like religionists they embrace myths -- such as socialism -- that are as absurd and often more dangerous than theism.
* They distort history to accomodate confirmation bias.
Example: While scorning Christians for their creation myth, atheists have devised their own creation myth; one in which American was founded (created) by secularism at a time when virtually every American citizen was some flavor of Christian. While laying claim to the birthright of America's history, they somehow fail to claim responsibility for slavery, the Salem witch trials and other atrocicites.
Jon is one of the few atheists I've encountered who's head is properly attached . . . so far as I can tell :-)
Getting back to the ritual under discussion, it migt be mentioned that it doesn't work. In other words, if one of those involved later repents, and wishes to be readmitted to the church, he will be told that baptism is "indelible", and that he therefore does not need to be re-baptised.
The problem with this kind of stuff is that it is messing with people's outlook on eternity. While an atheist may not believe in an immortal soul as do most religions, the fact is that just as religion requires faith, so does Atheism require an "anti-faith". If the religious are wrong, they really have lost nothing except time and effort, but if the Atheist is wrong, he has potentially lost everything.
Religionists like to paint atheists as just another "religion" so they can dismiss it on the same lines as atheists dismiss religion. Just as creationists like to charactize so-called evolutionists as just another world view.
Atheism is a religion, just as is Christianity or Judaism.
Or maybe it's worse, a cultist politico-religious movement like communism or islam.
jwenting - stop drinking!
Atheism is a view about God. Moreover, it is a view which cannot be proved, requiring faith.
That fits the the definition of religion.
"a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."
Your defintion fails as atheists are clearly not in devotion towards a supernatural being or superhuman agency, and with ritual observances - that's the whole point of atheism - and all societies have some kind of moral code in order to make society function.
"esp." is the abbreviation for "especially".
The fact remains that Atheists cannot, with all their reason and intellect, prove the non-existence of God. It still requires faith to believe the Atheist view.
I have more personal evidence that the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Tooth Fairy exist than I do that god exists.
What do you expect when you cover your eyes, plug your ears, and shout "Nyah, nyah, nyah, I can't hear you!" at the top of your lungs?
An "all loving god" murdered my catholic mother with breast cancer. Explain that inconsistency, Luke, with all your junk science.
Luke - you just use projection - that is your response to reasoned argument - close your ears and eyes, while jabbering religious quotes like a mantra to protect your emotional security-blanket.
I have a good idea, how about everyone respect each others' beliefs about G-d, if you believe in Him, mazel tov, if you don't, that is your business, everyone just respect each others' beliefs, that is true tolerance, you do not have to agree with each other, just respect the other person's views.
I respect people in lunatic asylums as human beings but not their delusions.
Luke - you like links and definitions, especially when combined - well one of Wikipaedia's daily featured articles (even yesterday's I think) was "Confirmation Bias" - read it as it suits you so well!
where"lunatic asylums" are churches, et al.
Has 1:03 AM never heard of Pascal's Wager?!
Anon 2:48 that was a rude comment, and since that is your reply to my attempt get people to be respectful, proves your immature.
Anon10:32, I wouldn't be here on this blog if you want respect, especially if you are gay, a liberal, an atheist, a woman, or any combination thereof.
I don't see how 2:48 was a rude comment. Why should anyone humor much less respect idiocy? Christians say love the sinner but not the sin - it's kinda equivalent.
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