Monday, June 01, 2009



Special protection for pedophiles?

When I wrote on May 24 "Will discrimination against pedophiles be outlawed next?", I was being satirical. I didn't know that reality has nearly beaten me to it. The report below is from May 13 and concerns a bill that is already through the Reps and is now with the Senate:
"The US Senate Judiciary committee is now considering the so-called Hate Crimes Prevention Act passed by the House April 29, under the sponsorship of Rep John Conyers (D-MI) and 120 other Representatives. Dubbed the ”Thought Crimes Prevention Act” by some House Republicans, HB1913 includes pedophilia as a protected sexual orientation.

Prior to approval by the whole House, a party-line 10-13 vote of Conyers’ House Judiciary Committee April 23 rejected a proposal by Republican Rep Steve King (R-IA) “to define the term `sexual orientation’ as used in the bill to explicitly exclude pedophilia.” Wisconsin Democrat Tammy Baldwin, an open lesbian, called the amendment, “unnecessary and inflammatory.”

When judges are required to interpret any Act resulting from passage of HB1913, they will refer to this vote and see that the intent of the lawmakers was to protect pedophiles. This could lead to federal felony prosecutions against anyone who acts to expel a pedophile from his neighborhood. Federal felony convictions require a minimum one year incarceration in a federal penitentiary.

Source

Many reports on conservative sites have interpreted this bill as prohibiting speech. But that is a stretch. It refers to violent assaults or physical attacks. The current text of the bill is here. The definitions it refers to are from H.R.3355 (Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994) and can be found here. Earlier versions of the bill did explicitly include a statment that speech was not targeted but that has now gone. At the end of the bill there is simply a pointless assertion that the bill does not attack any constitutional protections (such as the 1st Amendment).

A point to note is that H.R.3355 ALREADY adds extra punishment for "hate" in crimes prosecuted in Federal jurisdictions. The new bill aims to extend that to all jurisdictions. Since H.R.3355 has not led to prosecutions of speech alone and since HB1913 uses the same definition of "hate crime" as H.R.3355, concerns about it affecting speech may be over-cautious.

It is clear, however, that under the new law, attacking a pedophile would attract a more severe sentence than attacking a normal heterosexual person. The law puts pedophiles into an especially protected class. How that is compatible with the 14th ("equal protection") amendment escapes me.

17 comments:

Bobby said...

Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation but what psychology labels as a paraphilia.

"Paraphilia (in Greek para παρά = besides and -philia φιλία = love) refers to powerful and persistent sexual interest other than in copulatory or precopulatory behavior with phenotypically normal, consenting adult human partners"

Examples include voyeurism, fetichism (innanimate objects), sexual massochism or sadism, zoophilia (animals), cropophilia, telephone scatologia (obscene phone calls),

Here's the entire list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paraphilias

With that being said, I agree with Rep Steve King proposal since it gives people peace of mind and will make people understand that "sexual orientation" isn't everything under the sun but heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality.

Anonymous said...

Bobby, "Consenting adult human partners"? Doesn't your explaination leave something out, like children?


ped·o·phil·i·a (pěd'ə-fĭl'ē-ə, pē'də-) n.
The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.ped'o·phil'i·ac (-āk) adj. & n.

source;
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

pedophilia

1905, from Gk. pais (gen. paidos) "child" + philos "loving." First attested in Havelock Ellis. Derivative noun pedophile is first recorded 1951.
source;
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001Douglas Harper

pedophiliapsychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical pedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult. Most pedophiles are men; the condition is extremely rare in women.

source;
Encyclopedia Britannica, 2008. Encyclopedia Britannica Online.

Anonymous said...

Of course, liberals will see comrade Conyers new law as simply granting more freedom to more poor, victimized people, assuming you consider pedophiles to be people. Here's a better law and one that's far less complicated.

ANY ACT OF VIOLENCE AND/OR ANY DEGREE OF SEXUAL ABUSE PERPETRATED AGAINST A CHILD UNDER THE AGE OF 13 YEARS, SHALL UPON CONVICTION, CARRY A MANDATORY DEATH SENTENCE, TO BE CARRIED OUT WITHIN 48 HOURS OF CONVICTION. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED THAT THE METHOD OF EXECUTION BE HANGING BY THE NECK UNTIL DEAD, AND THAT SAID EXECUTION BE NATIONALLY TELEVISED.

Anonymous said...

While I will never condone pedophilia, I do agree something needs to be done to stop the witchhunt.
It's gotten to the point where every single man who so much as looks at a child is prone to be branded a pedophile and can find his name on vigilante sites run by self-proclaimed "pedohunters".

In this country alone this has led to at least 2 murders of men "suspected of being pedophiles" by these vigilantes, and an unknown number of others who have had their lives destroyed, jobs lost, and being forced to flee their homes.

As a single man I now avoid walking or driving near schools and playgrounds (which is hard as there's one within a few hundred meters whereever you go here), I cross the street to avoid coming near children walking or playing on the sidewalk, etc. etc..
That's what all single men have been reduced to, targets for vigilantes.

Bobby said...

You're right, 2:30PM, there is one paraphilia that directly involves children which is pedophilia and ephebophilia (13-17)

I was just trying to distinguish a sexual orientation from a paraphilia.

I do agree that pedophilia should be punished with the death penalty upon conviction.

"It's gotten to the point where every single man who so much as looks at a child is prone to be branded a pedophile "

---I don't think it's that bad, although I do think it's creepy for a single man to go to the park everyday and look at kids.

It's like being on Carnival Cruise, there's a pool for families with kids and one just for adults. If you don't have kids, if you're not an uncle, if you're not babysitting, why would you want to be around kids?

Anonymous said...

Just remember this: Liberals have no moral grounding. Everything to them is relative. If the majority of people come to accept pedophilia as socially acceptable, then to the liberal mind, that is perfectly OK. To the contrary, the conservative has moral standards (typically given by God) by which conduct is measured. It is not the majority that determines morality, but those moral imperatives given by God.

Several years ago, it was asserted that once gay rights become accepted, the next logical step would be pedophilia. Looks like the predictions were well-founded.

Anonymous said...

" if you're not babysitting, why would you want to be around kids?"

Because the other pool is filled with drunk teens sexing up each other while being loud and generally obnoxious towards everyone else?
Because the other pool is filled to capacity with homosexuals cruising for ass?

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:27,.... i think you are over reaching. Being accused of being a pedophile is a VERY serious charge. But rather than making the child sex-abuse laws weaker, we should make them stronger, especially when it comes to proving the accusations being made. When a person charged is found to be innocent, that information should be front-page news. In fact, the person making the false charge should be the one stigmatized.

And i too am a single man who doesn't avoid being near children, since my heart and thoughts are pure when it comes to children.

BTW, how far is a few hundred meters?

Anonymous said...

Pedophilia-phobia is another of modern society's many sexual neuroses and obsessions - and just an excuse for another form of witch-hunting.
Pedophilia can be dealt with in a more mature fashion (no pun indended!).

Anonymous said...

The law isn’t just for pedophilia’s it is for all sexual orientations! And here in the USA, we have changed one definition. It is not longer where a jury of 12 judge whether or not that a statement is intimidation, but whether or not the person felt intimidated. So if this law was passed and someone said that all Pedophilias should be hung by the neck until dead when caught in the act, without a trial, that is intimidation and the person that said it could be arrested. In fact anything that anyone feels is intimidation, will be illegal. So reading the Bible, the Koran, The Torah in public, about the rules of sex according to God, would be illegal, if a person that didn’t agree with God’s rules, felt intimidated, the reader could be arrested and charged with a Federal Hate Crime and if convicted, sent to Prison for a period of years.

As for being around kids, I do tend to agree that the fear is too much, but I do avoid being around kids.

I know that the Catholic Church’s policy now is that a Priest will never ever be alone with any kid anytime! My cousin is a Priest. One kid’s lunch didn’t agree with him and so he was in the bathroom getting rid of the lunch and probably a few other meals when the bus left to take the kids home. . It was snowing that day and no one suggested that the kid walk home the 12 miles. On that day, there was only my cousin around, so the kid had to wait for three hours to get another adult to ride with my cousin so that the kid could get a ride home

Mobius

Pope benedict XVI said...

Time for the annual running of the altarboys at St. Paedophilia's Catholic Church. Open the gates and let the priests out.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:24, well put.

Bobby said...

"Liberals have no moral grounding. Everything to them is relative. "

---True, but liberals will protect their own interests. I've heard them bashing the catholic church while sending their kids to catholic school, they support gun control while owning guns, they claim to believe in diversity while all their friends are white, and bitch about gas-guzzling SUV's while driving gas-guzzling minivans.

Even in crazy Europe where it's legal for adults to date 13, 15 and 16 year olds (depending on the country) most Europeans don't want their kids dating 30 or 40 year olds.

I do worry about those parents that let their kids get tattoos, buy them alcoholic drinks and get them illegal drugs. There are some f-cked
up parents out there.

Anonymous said...

Pope benedict XVI said...
"Time for the annual running of the altarboys at St. Paedophilia's Catholic Church. Open the gates and let the priests out."


Cases of Clergy Abuse

Case of Shlomo Aviner (Rosh Yeshiva, Ateret Cohanim Yeshiva, Rabbi of Beit El, Israel)

Case of Rabbi Lewis Brenner (Convicted of child molestation. The original charges included 14 counts of sodomy, sexual abuse and endangering the welfare of a child. He agreed to plead guilty to one count of sodomy in the third degree, a Class E felony, in exchange for a sentence of five years' probation.)

Case of Rabbi Ephraim Bryks (Accusations about sexual inappropriate behavior with children started surfacing in the 1980's. Rabbi Bryks is currently a member of the Vaad Harabonim of Queens. The Vaad is a Rabbinical committee that makes important decisions within an orthodox community.)

Case of Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach (Accused of several cases of child molestation, and sexual assault of young women)

Case Rabbi Perry Ian Cohen - Montreal and Toronto Canada (Accused of sexual abuse of a seventeen year old. Fired for sexual impropriety with congregants)

Case of Rabbi Yitzchak Cohen (Accused of sexually harassing students at Bar-Ilan University)

Case of Rabbi Ephraim Goldberg - Boca Raton, Flordia (Pled guilty to one misdemeanor count of exposure of sexual organs in a washroom at a Palm Beach Mall.)

Case of Rabbi/Cantor Sidney Goldenberg (Convicted of molesting children. The first complaints came in 1971. He was finally convicted in 1997.)

Case of Cantor Joel Gordon (Convicted of having keeping a house of prostitution and involvement in a prostitution ring.)

Case of Rabbi Israel Grunwald (Accused of molesting a 15 year old on a 1995 plane flight from Australia to LA. The charge against him were dropped after agreeing to perform 500 hours of community service and to seek counseling. Grunwald was the chief rabbi of an Hungarian Hasidic congregation in Brooklyn, known as the Pupas).

Case of The State of Israel Vs. Sex Offender (Convicted of repeated rape and forced molestation of his graddaughter.)

Case of Yehudah Friedlander - Rabbi 's Assistant (Accused of molesting a 15 year old on a 1995 plane flight from Australia to LA. Friedlander was the assistant to the chief rabbi of an Hungarian Hasidic congregation in Brooklyn, known as the Pupas)

Case of the Rabbi at Hillel Torah, Chicago, IL (A teacher at the Chicago school was accused of child molestation. His name was not released. The school did everything correctly in attempting to keep the children safe once accusations were made.)

Case of Rabbi Solomon Hafner (Accused of sexually abusing a developmentally disabled boy)

Case of Rabbi (Alan J.) Shneur Horowitz (Convicted and sentenced to 10 - 20 years in prison for sodomizing a nine-year-old psychiatric patient. Allegedly, he has assaulted a string of children from California to Israel to New York in the past twenty years. Alan J. Horowitz is an Orthodox rabbi, magna cum laude, M.D., Ph.D. A graduate of Duke University, and was a writer for NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association).

Case of Jacob Frank and the Frankist Movement (Accused of cultic type practices and sexual offenses)

Case of Rabbi Israel Kestenbaum (Accused of child pornography on the internet)

(And this is but a small amount the media hides.)

Anonymous said...

And here is the list of female teacher who sexually abused both boys and girls in public schools.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=39783

Mobius

Bobby said...

(And this is but a small amount the media hides.)

---Let's not stereotype rabbis or priests. Every religious denomination and every cult has had sex scandals, from scientologist to southern baptists, nobody's squeaky clean.

Anonymous said...

Tell that to pope benedict!