Another British foot-shooter
We read:
"Ben Elton has been forced to apologise for his royal rant on Good News Week which enraged Brits this week. The comedian and writer's opinions on the monarchy, British sporting prowess and more have disgusted the British and led to several newspapers - including the Daily Mail, The Telegraph and The Sun - running outraged stories about his comments on the comedy show.
Displaying his vitriolic wit and sarcasm on the comedy show, Elton made a series of comments regarding the UK, calling the Queen "a sad little old lady", Prince Philip a "mad old bigot", joking about sex with Margaret Thatcher and saying Prince Charles was just a "disillusioned ex-hippy".
He said London had scored the 2012 Olympics in order to give Britons some chance at sporting success and because the rest of the world felt sorry for the British when it came to athletic prowess, and launched a royal rant against the Queen calling her "a sad little old lady who lives in state sponsored accommodation". On sex with Thatcher he said: "She sort of annoyed me because she would always want to smoke afterwards and I hated that because that was so dirty".
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He obviously does not want most Brits to watch his shows or buy his books -- because many won't after this.
46 comments:
Brits apparently have a long and devoted love/respect for their royalty, which is no ones business but theirs. Here in Amerika, we too (only some of us) have/had that same devotion to our so-called "royalty". We were devoted to a family of drunks, at least one murderer, a bootlegger, liars, and closet fascists. Here, they were simply known as the Kennedy family.
Until stupidity and very poor taste become illegal, people can say what they like. (well, most people) In the end, the marketplace will decide.
Anon 5:03 - you are so right! To this day the media and others refer to the days of "Camelot" and how great Teddy was. My Mother called it like it was ... they started out as a family of illegal activity (bootlegging) and they are still the same way.
At least a bootlegger works, it takes guts to smuggle booze, hide it from cops, distribute it, pay off the mafia, do some money laundering, and then reinvent yourself as someone legitimate while giving your kids everything they need to succeed in life.
The Kennedys may be scum, but at least they are hard working scum unlike the british royals.
Bobby is a windsorphobe!
Um,.... interesting point bobby, even though it's at the top of your head.
Because Bobby is unemployed, he's envious of privileged people like the UK royals; yet elsewhere on this site he expresses admiration for the acquisition of wealth and tries to use the Bible to back it up. He's evidently a contradictory and complex person!
"Um,.... interesting point bobby, even though it's at the top of your head."
---Not really, I've always been fascinated by crime and have read a lot of non-fiction crime books about the mafia, drugs, etc. Freakonomics for example had a whole chapter about how the average crack dealer makes less money than a worker at McDonalds yet is forced to spend hours in all kinds of weather. Criminals at higher levels are extremely organized, they keep books that would make an accountant proud.
Frankly, I don't think people turn to crime because they're lazy, I think it's greed.
"Because Bobby is unemployed, he's envious of privileged people like the UK royals; yet elsewhere on this site he expresses admiration for the acquisition of wealth and tries to use the Bible to back it up. He's evidently a contradictory and complex person!"
---If God wanted us to be poor he wouldn't have set the charity rate at 10%. Moreover, I admire the acquisition of wealth when it's due to work. If Paris Hilton records a song and it becomes top-50, I admire that. If a baseball player becomes so good that he's suddenly worth $30 million, I also admire that. But if someone is born rich and does nothing to grow the family fortune, I don't admire that.
The rich are good when they create industries, that way not only they enrich themselves but deliver jobs for other people. That's why you have to keep taxes low for them, that way they'll keep their money in America instead of sending it to a tax shelter in the Cayman Islands.
As for the UK Royals, the only reason they are admired is because a lot of people wish they where Kings, Queens, Dukes, etc. They are admired for their titles and for what they represent, not for anything they have done or accomplished. However, if Prince Harry ever starts a company, writes a book, acts in a movie, or does anyting beyond shagging english girls, I will admire him.
But don't ask me to admire someone just because they have a title they didn't even earn.
Bobby said;
"Freakonomics for example had a whole chapter about how the average crack dealer makes less money than a worker at McDonalds yet is forced to spend hours in all kinds of weather."
Yes bobby, that's why every kid in the ghetto sells crack. You should quit while you're behind.
Members of the UK royal family do run businesses and employ people and promote other businesses that employ people - you are just prejudiced because of class - you are an inverted snob Bobby!
However, if Prince Harry ever starts a company, writes a book, acts in a movie, or does anyting beyond shagging english girls, I will admire him.
Once again, Bobby shows his ignorance and hatred of the military.
Harry attended Sandhurst (which is no slouch of an OCS) and upon graduating, took a commission in a regiment that was later scheduled to deploy to Iraq. Initially, Harry was pulled from the regiment due to fears for his direct safety, but he protested the move because he felt he could not call himself a soldier and part of a unit without facing the same dangers as his unit. He was eventually overruled and pulled from the unit due to concerns that as a high value target, Harry would be more of a hindrance than asset. In support of him, soldiers in his unit began to wear "I'm Harry" t-shirts, a reference to the famous scene in the movie Spartacus. Clearly Harry is respected by the men in his unit.
Harry then trained with British and Canadian Rangers and was secretly deployed to Afghanistan as a FAC. It was later reported that, while in Afghanistan, Harry had called in United States Air Force air strikes, helped Gurkha troops repel an attack from Taliban insurgents, and performed patrol duty in hostile areas.
A young man who puts his life on the line for "God, Queen and Country" is much more admirable than someone who gets thrown in jail for DUI.
But not in Bobby's world. Bobby's hatred of the military is well known and pathetic.
"Yes bobby, that's why every kid in the ghetto sells crack. You should quit while you're behind."
---Read Freakanomics and you'll understand why. Whatever dude, I'm not gonna argue with soemone who hasn't read the book.
"Harry was pulled from the regiment due to fears for his direct safety,"
---EXACTLY! Why? Because he's a blue blood bastard who gets special treatment. Sure, maybe in the end he worked as a FAC, but my point is valid, even if Harry wants to be a regular soldier he was not treated like one. So why not save yourself tax dollars and keep him out of the military?
And I don't give a crap if he attended Sandhurst, going to school doesn't make you a hero.
---EXACTLY! Why? Because he's a blue blood bastard who gets special treatment.
Excuse me, but even you can't be dumb enough to not realize that he eventually served on the front lines while your "heros" were safe in bed.
Well, maybe you can be that dumb.
And I don't give a crap if he attended Sandhurst, going to school doesn't make you a hero.
Never said it did. But if you think that just anyone can complete Sandhurst, you are have no brains at all.
The man put his life on the line in the military and you would rather say that Paris Hilton is someone to admire.
You hate the military because they do something that you are incapable of - they think of others. They put their thoughts, beliefs and actions into words while you cower in your mother's basement.
"Excuse me, but even you can't be dumb enough to not realize that he eventually served on the front lines while your "heros" were safe in bed."
---Yeah? Well this is the first time I hear this information. What I do remember was the media praising him after being pulled out of Afghanistan.
"Never said it did. But if you think that just anyone can complete Sandhurst, you are have no brains at all."
---I didn't say that, of course completing Sandhurt, West Point, the Navy Seals program and hundreds of other extremely demanding program is meritorious. HOWEVER, the goal of those programs isn't to graduate princess that will look good in their uniform, no, their goal is to graduate WARRIORS that will go to war, fight in war, and possibly die in war. If Harry is too precious too die, the he shouldn't be allowed to serve.
"The man put his life on the line in the military and you would rather say that Paris Hilton is someone to admire."
---At least Paris isn't wasting my tax dollars but joining a military she's not fit to serve in.
"You hate the military because they do something that you are incapable of - they think of others. They put their thoughts, beliefs and actions into words while you cower in your mother's basement."
---Bullcrap, I only hate military deserters, I have no problem with the rest of our troops. In fact, I admire the military. And don't tell me I don't think of others, everything I supports benefits many people.
---Yeah? Well this is the first time I hear this information. What I do remember was the media praising him after being pulled out of Afghanistan.
So you decided to attack him based on ignorance?
If Harry is too precious too die, the he shouldn't be allowed to serve.
You mean like when he went to Afghanistan and serve?
---At least Paris isn't wasting my tax dollars but joining a military she's not fit to serve in.
As compared to who? Harry? The man who actually served and served on the front lines?
One person carries a weapon and puts their life on the line. The other carries a dog and has served jail time.
You respect the criminal and not the soldier.
---Bullcrap, I only hate military deserters, I have no problem with the rest of our troops. In fact, I admire the military.
Uh huh. That is why you attacked a man in the military. You have a funny way of showing "support."
And don't tell me I don't think of others, everything I supports benefits many people.
You only think of yourself. If others benefit from your liberal ideology, that is happenstance and not by design or principle.
"So you decided to attack him based on ignorance?"
---Yes, I didn't read in the media the other part of his story.
"You mean like when he went to Afghanistan and serve?"
---He went there but was quickly removed. Was he removed because he got shot and became disabled? No. did he have a mental breakdown? no. He got removed because the media found out about it and instead of letting him do his job like all the other soldiers they decided to give him special treatment. Celebrating his "service" is like celebrating Obama winning a Nobel peace prize. That's not worth celebrating!
"As compared to who? Harry? The man who actually served and served on the front lines?"
---John Kerry did four months in Vietnam and the Swift Boat Veterans question his service and the purple heart medal he got. You don't think Harry's service is questionable? If I was a british taxpayer I would not want a soldier that can't even do one tour of duty. Here in America we have people re-enlisting without being asked!
"One person carries a weapon and puts their life on the line. The other carries a dog and has served jail time."
---Did Harry use that weapon or was his unit too busy protecting him? Sarah Palin has a son in the military, her son isn't getting any special treatment and if McCain had won, her son would still be in combat. That's the difference between American and England, in America you do your duty to Uncle Sam.
"Uh huh. That is why you attacked a man in the military. You have a funny way of showing "support."
---Which man in the military did I attack? If you mean Colin Powell that's because he supported Obama. He's a traitor to the GOP.
"You only think of yourself. If others benefit from your liberal ideology, that is happenstance and not by design or principle"
---Is it liberal to want a military free of the burden of protecting celebrities and the children of royalty? Is it liberal to celebrate the accomplishments of a person rather than his royal lineage?
I'd rather celebrate conservative talkshow host Steve Yuhas:
"he served 7 years 8 months and 23 days on active duty and served overseas for 3 years and 4 months. He spent 1 year 4 months and 9 days at sea duty and in two combat zones. His awards include the Meritorious Service Medal, the Army Commendation Medal with Silver Oak Leaf Cluster, the Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal with three Oak Leaf Clusters, two Good Conduct Medals, the Air Assault Badge and other awards including the Combat Medic Badge and the coveted Expert Field Medical Badge which is earned by only about 4% of those who attempt to achieve it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Yuhas
So tell me, what makes Prince Harry's military service so goddamm special?
---He went there but was quickly removed.
Another lie from you. He was removed a few weeks before his unit.
He got removed because the media found out about it and instead of letting him do his job like all the other soldiers they decided to give him special treatment.
Factually false, but don't let that stop you.
---Did Harry use that weapon or was his unit too busy protecting him?
There ya go... attacking his service.
By the way, the woman you idolize - Paris Hilton - what was she doing during his deployment?
---Which man in the military did I attack?
Are you drinking now, Flipper?
So tell me, what makes Prince Harry's military service so goddamm special?
It is more than you have ever done, and more than the people you worship have ever done.
He served.
You put him down for that service and it shows your liberal bias.
Another lie from you. He was removed a few weeks before his unit.
---According to the crown-loving media, sure.
Factually false, but don't let that stop you.
---Let's see...
"Then head of the British army, General Sir Richard Dannatt, first said on 30 April 2007 that he had personally decided that the Prince would serve with his unit in Iraq,[18] and Harry was scheduled for deployment in May or June 2007, to patrol the Maysan province.[19] By 16 May, however, Dannatt announced that Prince Harry would not serve in Iraq;[20] concerns included Harry being a high-value target (as several threats by various groups have already been made against him) and the dangers the soldiers around him would face should any attempt be made on the Prince's life or capture. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Harry_of_Wales#Military_career
In other words, not only was Harry useless but he was going to put his unit in danger by his mere presence. So tell me, is it worth it having such a royal pain in the ass in the army? So much special treatment for one man.
"There ya go... attacking his service."
---You attacked the service of Pvt. England, so don't play saint with me.
"By the way, the woman you idolize - Paris Hilton - what was she doing during his deployment?"
---Generating millions of dollars, paying thousands in taxes, supporting her country without costing the taxpayer a dime. Do you believe everyone should join the military? Drafts are no longer popular with conservatives, get with the program.
"It is more than you have ever done, and more than the people you worship have ever done."
---And where would the military be without the millions of tax payers that support it? The G.I. Bill promises $40,000+ for G.I., who pays for that? Who pays for their long term healthcare? Who pays for their army bases? For their pensions? Patriotism comes in many forms.
He served.
---So did Jeremiah Wright, so did Hitler, so did a bunch of other people. That doesn't automatically make him a better person. In fact, John Kerry is a creep, but he served longer than Harry. What do you think about that?
"You put him down for that service and it shows your liberal bias."
---Harry got special protections no other soldiers get in the military.
Harry may have said: "There's no way I'm going to put myself through Sandhurst and then sit on my arse back home while my boys are out fighting for their country."
Fine, but that wasn't his decision to make. It's the brass that decides where you serve and how. It's the brass that sent him to Iraq and then removed him.
Even the operational medal he got for his service in Afghanistan doesn't demand great acts of heroism:
"To qualify for the clasp, personnel must have either 5, 21, or 30 days continuous service between various dates, depending on the operation, for example between 11/09/2001 and 1/08/2002, or for a period later specified, on Operation Veritas, Operation Fingal and Operation Landman."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_Service_Medal_for_Afghanistan
In other words, he got rewarded just for being there. Tell me, why do you defend Prince Harry when there are so many great soldiers that have done great things?
---According to the crown-loving media, sure.
According to the truth.
---You attacked the service of Pvt. England, so don't play saint with me.
Harry served with distinction. England did not. How dare you equate the two.
---Generating millions of dollars, paying thousands in taxes, supporting her country without costing the taxpayer a dime.
Sorry Flipper, she didn't generate a dime. And if you don't think she cost the taxpayer money, you are naive.
Patriotism comes in many forms.
Yes it does. It also comes in the form of supporting the men and women who serve with honor. Too bad you are against that type of patriotism.
What do you think about that?
I think... no, I know, that the concept of serving with honor is lost on someone like you.
Fine, but that wasn't his decision to make. It's the brass that decides where you serve and how. It's the brass that sent him to Iraq and then removed him.
He wasn't sent to Iraq. You can't even keep the very source you quote straight.
Even the operational medal he got for his service in Afghanistan doesn't demand great acts of heroism:
How pathetic of you to try and denigrate the service of someone. He was there.... under fire... while you were sitting on your pathetic little butt drinking a latte and laughing at the men and women who serve with honor.
In other words, he got rewarded just for being there. Tell me, why do you defend Prince Harry when there are so many great soldiers that have done great things?
Unlike you, I have not attacked any soldier who has served his county with honor. It is a shame that you think that the men and women who serve are worthless unless they meet your standard of being a hero.
Hilton sat on her butt and you worship her. Harry put his life on the line - just like thousands of other men and women - and you hate him.
You hate him because he has the guts that you don't. He has the guts to put his convictions into practice. You have the guts to do nothing but type on a blog and tell people how great you are.
You have been exposed for the military hating, lying, liberal person you are.
Have a nice life.
"Harry served with distinction. England did not. How dare you equate the two."
---England served LONGER than Harry and until the Abu Ghraib incident, she had a perfect record. Besides, I know quite a few people in the military who think England is a patriot who should have gotten a medal and not prison. There are people who think torturing arab convicts is perfectly fine.
"Sorry Flipper, she didn't generate a dime. And if you don't think she cost the taxpayer money, you are naive."
---How can you be so ignorant? Seriously, all you have to do is write Paris Hilton on wikipidia and you'll see how much money she makes year by year thanks to books, movies, tv shows, music, club appearances, etc. And yes, Uncle Sam gets his cut each and everytime she sells something.
"Yes it does. It also comes in the form of supporting the men and women who serve with honor. Too bad you are against that type of patriotism."
---The only men I'm not supporting is Prince Harry, I have no problem with the rest of the troops. Standing up against a spoiled prince doesn't mean I'm standing against an entire platoon.
"How pathetic of you to try and denigrate the service of someone. He was there.... under fire..."
---How do you know he was under fire? Where you there with him? It's just like the John Kerry situation, he says one thing and the Swift Boat Veterans say another.
"laughing at the men and women who serve with honor."
---You're wrong, I don't laugh at the common army man. I laugh at the media for worrying about Harry's safety and the government for allowing it.
"Unlike you, I have not attacked any soldier who has served his county with honor. It is a shame that you think that the men and women who serve are worthless unless they meet your standard of being a hero."
--I'm attackig one man, ONE MAN, get it through your head. Attacking one person doesn't mean attacking everyone. Criticizing one negro doesn't mean you hate all negros, the same with military personnel. When I was a teacher I didn't tell all my students "you're very talented" or "you're very good." I commended the good and chastised the bad.
"Hilton sat on her butt and you worship her. Harry put his life on the line - just like thousands of other men and women - and you hate him."
---He didn't put his life on the line. He was given special treatment and protected by the troops, they are the ones that put their live on the line to protect Harry. Besides, it's better for Hilton to sit on her butt than to join an army where she doesn't belogn. I hate drafts, the army needs people that want to be there and belong there, those are the best people. Harry doesn't belong there because he's a Prince and the people fear for his safety, that sends a message to the troops: "Harry is better than you."
"You hate him because he has the guts that you don't. He has the guts to put his convictions into practice. You have the guts to do nothing but type on a blog and tell people how great you are.'
---He has no convictions, he's a playboy who lives of his royal inheritance. He joined the army for PR purposes, Prince's in England are taught how to behave and Harry is no exception.
"You have been exposed for the military hating, lying, liberal person you are."
---Cindy Sheehan is a military hater, not me. I support the troops. You support a spoiled Prince who gets special treatment. In fact, you're the real liberal since liberals love giving minorities special treatment, they want more negros to go to college, they celebrate hispanic heritage month, they want more diversity in the workplace, they hate blue collar people and they love Prince Harry, Princes Diana, Fergie and all the royals because in spite of their talks about democracy, they all want to be Kings.
---England served LONGER than Harry and until the Abu Ghraib incident, she had a perfect record.
But then you have that incident which means she didn't serve with honor.
---How can you be so ignorant?
Okay Flipper, tell us how much product she generated? Writing a book is only self serving. Making an album is only self serving. She didn't generate revenues for others.
---How do you know he was under fire?
Read the source you cited Flipper. What do you think a FAC does?
Your ignorance of the military is astounding.
--I'm attackig one man, ONE MAN, get it through your head.
This isn't your first time of attacking the military and those who serve in it. Get that through your head.
---He didn't put his life on the line.
Clearly you don't understand the position of a FAC and the idea of going out on patrols which your own source credits Harry with doing. So either you are lying now or you were lying when you used that source.
Which is it Flipper?
Besides, it's better for Hilton to sit on her butt than to join an army where she doesn't belogn.
While Hilton was sitting on her butt, Harry was in the line of fire and in harm's way. You attack Harry because he helps provide the freedom that you and Hilton enjoy. Even if that freedom is for you to be a jackass.
---He has no convictions,
Yeah, right. That is why when he was pulled from being deployed to Iraq, his men supported him. He then went into a combat zone incognito because of his convictions.
You always want to "suppose" but when men's actions are contrary to your supposition, you run like the little military hater you are.
The fact that you are trying to comment on the convictions of someone else is hysterical because you are the one who constantly reminds us that you don't stick up for your supposed beliefs in public.
I support the troops.
Right. That is why you attacked a soldier.
Your "support" doesn't even pass the laugh test.
And by the way, Flipper, I happen to work in and near a military base. How about you show some guts and come up and I will introduce you to some folks who will take great exception to your opinion of soldiers and your opinion of "honorable service."
But we both know you won't because you lack the guts and the convictions to do anything else other than attack people in a blog and hang out with your liberal friends.
Okay Flipper, tell us how much product she generated? Writing a book is only self serving. Making an album is only self serving. She didn't generate revenues for others.
The 26-year-old socialite's perfume and jewellery collection brought in $1.8 million each last year, while she collected $18.7 million for personal appearances.
http://www.azcentral.com/ent/celeb/articles/0723parishilton-CR.html?&wired
Forbes magazine (a serious publication) ranks her 55 among the top 100 celebrities and claims she makes 6.5 million a year.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/53/U3HH.html
And how is writing a book or making an album self-serving? Would you call Sara Palin "self-serving" for writing "Going Rogue?" Books aren't self-serving, everytime a book is sold everybody from the author to the publisher gets a cut.
"This isn't your first time of attacking the military and those who serve in it. Get that through your head."
---I think you're too sensitive, you think attacking the military is questioning Harry's service and defending Pvt. England. The real attacks come from those who say the military is racist because there are too many blacks (I'm not making this up), want to bring back the draft, ridicule the intelligence of those who join, attack military recruiters, etc. Those are real attacks, the stuff I do isn't.
"Clearly you don't understand the position of a FAC and the idea of going out on patrols which your own source credits Harry with doing. Which is it Flipper?"
---Fine, I have no idea what a FAC does.
"While Hilton was sitting on her butt, Harry was in the line of fire and in harm's way. You attack Harry because he helps provide the freedom that you and Hilton enjoy. Even if that freedom is for you to be a jackass."
---Hey, I'm free because of AMERICAN soldiers, the british contribution to the war effort is pathetic. Don't you tell me Harry is fighting for me and Hilton, that's ridiculous. Morever, lots of people are in the line of fire, people who don't have generals worrying about their safety. In fact, maybe I was wrong to attack Harry because he's not the one who asked for special treatment, yet due to the nature of his condition, he will get special treatment.
"You always want to "suppose" but when men's actions are contrary to your supposition, you run like the little military hater you are."
---Military hater? Wow, more defamation. Why not accuse me of animal cruelty just because I eat beef?
"The fact that you are trying to comment on the convictions of someone else is hysterical because you are the one who constantly reminds us that you don't stick up for your supposed beliefs in public."
---Yeah, and sometimes that's being mature. How are you gonna keep a job if you play "Barrack the Magic Negro?" Political correctness in the workplace is just like don't ask don't tell- you can stay as long as you keep quiet.
Right. That is why you attacked a soldier.
---So anyone that attacks one soldier is guilty of not supporting the troops?
"How about you show some guts and come up and I will introduce you to some folks who will take great exception to your opinion of soldiers and your opinion of "honorable service."
---I don't know where you live and I'm not interested in meeting your friends. What? Have you been forwarding them my comments?
"But we both know you won't because you lack the guts and the convictions to do anything else other than attack people in a blog and hang out with your liberal friends."
---You're complaining about me attacking people? That's like the pot calling the kettle black.
If Bobby is in any way typical of Americans, then they don't deserve any allies or help. I guess they could have done so much better on their own in Iraq and Afghanistan, in the same way they managed to win WWII all by themselves (as they often seem to think or give that impression)!
---I think you're too sensitive, you think attacking the military is questioning Harry's service and defending Pvt. England.
No, the attacks are on the military for those who serve honorably and defending those who do not.
Those are real attacks, the stuff I do isn't.
How convenient that you choose to define what an attack is to be outside you actions.
---Fine, I have no idea what a FAC does.
Fine. Your post were made in ignorance. That is what you constantly miss. You always try to stand by your statements that are demonstrably wrong or made in ignorance.
You attacked a member of the military out of ignorance and continue to do so.
the british contribution to the war effort is pathetic.
This from someone who doesn't even know what the military does. The only pathetic thing here is you.
---Yeah, and sometimes that's being mature.
Except Flipper that you have said you NEVER bring your views out in public. You hide behind a keyboard trying to tell the world what they should do but do not possess the guts or moral courage to do that which you advocate.
---So anyone that attacks one soldier is guilty of not supporting the troops?
Asked and answered. Attacking the military is a pattern with you.
---I don't know where you live and I'm not interested in meeting your friends. What? Have you been forwarding them my comments?
There ya go. Be afraid of your own comments. Way to stand up for your beliefs.
---You're complaining about me attacking people? That's like the pot calling the kettle black.
Really? How so? The comments I make are factual. The comments you make are not. The comments I make are based in reality. The comments you make are not. The comments I make I take a responsibility for. You never do.
I put my thoughts and words into actions. You don't.
Every day your comments prove that you are simply just another ignorant, elitist liberal.
Booby - Please justify your outrageous and insulting claim that the British contribution to the war effort is "pathetic" -
---Very well, according to wiki, there are 10,000 UK soldiers in Iraq.
And according to BBC News UK,
"The total number of UK troops killed in operations in Iraq has risen to 140 after the death of four soldiers killed by a roadside explosion near Basra in southern Iraq. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3847051.stm
How many Americans have died so far? 4,282.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm
So let's do the math, if 4,282 is 100% how much is 140? I know, 3.26%
"would you dare say that to the faces of the widows and mothers of the many British soldiers killed?"
---I would tell them that while I appreciate their contributions, if it wasn't for America, Saddam would still be in power and the same goes for the Taleban.
"If you speak of numbers, should a population of 60M contribute the same as one of 300M?"
According to wiki there are 148,000 soldiers in the british army.
In Afghanistan they have deployed 9,500. That's not even 10%! In fact, most of our so-called "allies" have contributed meager numbers, which is why I don't take their contributions seriously.
"If Bobby is in any way typical of Americans, then they don't deserve any allies or help.
----You're right, but it's not a question of us not deserving them, it's a question of us not needing them. Did America had allies in Korea and Vietnam? No, we don't even have allies at the United Nations, what we have is stupid countries like Sweeden bitching because we didn't give enough money after the Tsunami, what we have is stupid European countries telling us to abolish the death penalty, raise taxes, and support gun control.
"I guess they could have done so much better on their own in Iraq and Afghanistan, in the same way they managed to win WWII all by themselves (as they often seem to think or give that impression)!"
---Let me remind you that it was America that saved your asses during WW2. You think I don't know history? America was reluctant to get involved in the war, isolationism was popular, the American Nazi Party was growing, calls to help Europe where ignored until Pearl Harbor.
In fact, Henry Ford and Charles Lindberg admire Hitler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#World_War_II_era.
"Although Lindbergh considered Hitler a fanatic and avowed a belief in American democracy,[73] he clearly stated elsewhere that he believed the survival of the white race was more important than the survival of democracy in Europe: "Our bond with Europe is one of race and not of political ideology", he declared"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lindbergh#Racism_and_suspected_Nazi_sympathies
Did America had allies in Korea and Vietnam? No, we don't even have allies at the United Nations,
Yes.
The countries who fought with the United States in Korea include:
Republic of Korea
United Kingdom
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Colombia
Denmark
Ethiopia
France France
Greece Greece
India
Italy
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Philippines
South Africa
South Korea
Sweden
Thailand
Turkey
The counties that fought in Vietnam with the United States include:
South Vietnam
South Korea
Australia
Philippines
New Zealand
Cambodia Khmer Republic
Thailand
Republic of China
calls to help Europe where ignored until Pearl Harbor.
Two words: Lend Lease.
You think I don't know history?
Nope. We know you don't.
Anon 3:46,
"If Bobby is in any way typical of Americans, then they don't deserve any allies or help.
My apologies for Bobby.
The bonds and common interests of the United States and Great Britain have a long and deep history.
Because of his hatred of the military and foreign countries, Bobby wants to use any means he can to divide long standing allies.
As you can see, he selectively picks and chooses what he posts at the expense of contradictory facts even cited by his own sources.
He is a intellectually dishonest as they come.
I guess when people can't dispute the numbers they attack you personally. Yet the numbers speak for themselves, foreign contributions are a pittance of the burden America shoulders.
Oh, and in Vietnam, China fought AGAINST the US. Seriously, they were and still remain a communist country, they aided the vietcong.
And by the way, when the French fought in what is known today as "Vietnam" it was their colony, and it was known as Indochine.
But I guess because a few foreigners fought with us I'm supposed to celebrate global diversity and treat them as equals.
"The bonds and common interests of the United States and Great Britain have a long and deep history."
---Oh really? Then why not go back to being a colony of England then? I mean, if the British are so freaking cool why not just adopt their gun laws, tax laws and Orwellian street cameras?
"Because of his hatred of the military and foreign countries, Bobby wants to use any means he can to divide long standing allies."
---Wrong on the military, right on foreign countries. I fear the corrupting influence most foreign cultures have on our land. I believe in neither diversity nor multiculturalism. I don't celebrate the fact that Obama is a mulatto who couldn't even have a nice American name like Barry Johnson. Screw diversity, I celebrate individual achievement! If a negro does something good I will celebrate his good deed, not the fact that he's a negro, that's irrelevant!
And you know the latest outrage? Obama wants to open up relations between Cuba and the USA. That's going to kill the cigar and sugar industries in Florida as our market gets flooded with cheap sugar and world-famous Cuban cigars.
So go ahead, love foreign cultures, see where it gets you.
I guess when people can't dispute the numbers they attack you personally.
You mean like you are doing? You can't dispute the numbers so you attack people?
Oh, and in Vietnam, China fought AGAINST the US. Seriously, they were and still remain a communist country, they aided the vietcong.
Really. What a shocker. Unfortunately for you, the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China are two different countries. The PRC fought against the US. The ROC was an ally.
Is this another demonstration of your grasp of history?
And by the way, when the French fought in what is known today as "Vietnam" it was their colony, and it was known as Indochine.
Thanks for playing, but no.
But I guess because a few foreigners fought with us I'm supposed to celebrate global diversity and treat them as equals.
You are supposed to say that you made an error. You are supposed to say that you were wrong. You are supposed to say that you made a mistake.
But we all know that you won't because you don't have the maturity to do so, my little liberal friend.
You were the one that said the US fought in Korea and Vietnam alone. You were wrong.
Your grasp of history is non-existent.
---Oh really? Then why not go back to being a colony of England then?
Because we do not wish to be a colony of Great Britain anymore than Great Britain wishes to be a colony of the US. The fact remains that we have shared common goals and interests for a long time now.
That is a fact whether you wish to acknowledge it or not.
---Wrong on the military, right on foreign countries.
Right on the military and right your hatred of other people, countries and cultures.
You're a bigot.
Screw diversity, I celebrate individual achievement!
Wow. How stupid of a statement is that. You seem to think that having a legally diverse culture is a bad thing. This is the United States - the melting pot of the world. If you don't want to celebrate that we accept all who are legally here, get out. Your hatred, bigotry and xenophobia is not wanted here.
If a negro does something good I will celebrate his good deed, not the fact that he's a negro, that's irrelevant!
"Negro?" Sheez.
Where's your sheet and hood, Flipper?
Obama wants to open up relations between Cuba and the USA.
The opening of relations with Cuba has long been discussed, Flipper. In fact, as I am sure you know, many in the Cuban community of southern Florida support it.
That's going to kill the cigar and sugar industries in Florida as our market gets flooded with cheap sugar and world-famous Cuban cigars.
Poor widdle liberal Flipper is afraid of competition and quality products. Awwwwww.
So go ahead, love foreign cultures, see where it gets you.
Go ahead. Hate everyone that doesn't look, act and believe like you do.
Once again, you define yourself by your hatred of others, your hatred of the military, your hatred of facts and your ability to discuss anything without fabricating "facts."
You are the true definition and personification of "liberal" today.
"You were the one that said the US fought in Korea and Vietnam alone. You were wrong."
---Look, just because Tiger Woods plays golf doesn't mean golf is a black sport all of a sudden. Golf remains a WASP country club rich sport. The same with war, just because a few foreigners fight with us doesn't mean they do most of the heavy lifting.
"Because we do not wish to be a colony of Great Britain anymore than Great Britain wishes to be a colony of the US. The fact remains that we have shared common goals and interests for a long time now."
---What common goals? We like free speech they persecute the BNP, we like guns they hate guns, we like private health care they love the NHS, we like the death penalty they value the life unworthy of living. In other words, we are conservative/centrist while they are liberal/socialist.
"Right on the military and right your hatred of other people, countries and cultures.
You're a bigot."
---I'm not a bigot, my views are similar to those of Arizona sherif Joseph Arpaio.
"Wow. How stupid of a statement is that. You seem to think that having a legally diverse culture is a bad thing."
----Yes it is because the mainstream culture is anti-white and anti-Christian. How come there's no White History Month or European History Month? How come there's no Caucasian Scholarships? How come I can't use an ATM without press-2 for Spanish? You know, a liberal doesn't ask those questions because they're afraid of being called racist or maybe they simply hate white people. But I'm no liberal and I'm not afraid of being politically incorrect.
"This is the United States - the melting pot of the world. If you don't want to celebrate that we accept all who are legally here, get out. Your hatred, bigotry and xenophobia is not wanted here."
---It ain't a meltin pot anymore, not when people celebrate African History Month and whatnot. I'm not a bigot it's diversity and multiculturalism that is bigoted, it's affirmative action that is bigoted. Did you know that if you're minority and you bid on a government job you're more likely to get it? That's diversity for you.
"Negro?" Sheez.
---Oh, I see, it's ok for them to have the United Negro College and to sing rap songs with nigga this and nigga that. But me saying negro? No, that's racist.
"Where's your sheet and hood, Flipper?"
---Very funny, my prejudice isn't based on infantile notions of racial superiority. No sir, when I was growing up my parnets told me that blacks are the same as whites, yet today I see that one group gets affirmative-action priviledges while the other one doesn't.
"The opening of relations with Cuba has long been discussed, Flipper. In fact, as I am sure you know, many in the Cuban community of southern Florida support it."
---Only the traitors support that, the ones that want to have it both ways, live in America but visit their families in Cuba. But the cuban hardliners, the one that fought to save Elian from being brainwashed in Cuba, they don't want that because they know Castro is going to get rich from the dollars of stupid Miami cubans.
Obama's making Nixon mistake, you don't spread democracy through trade, if that worked China would be a democracy.
"Poor widdle liberal Flipper is afraid of competition and quality products. Awwwwww."
---Funny, I hate Fidel Castro yet you, Mr. Perfect Conservative, Mr. Patriot, are a conservative who wants to trade with him.
"You are the true definition and personification of "liberal" today."
---I'm surprised, you used quotes this time. Are you being sarcastic?
The same with war, just because a few foreigners fight with us doesn't mean they do most of the heavy lifting.
It has nothing to do with "heavy lifting." You got caught once again in a lie and you don't have the guts and integrity to admit it. You fabricated something to support your position and you got caught.
---What common goals?
We have always held the common goals of capitalism, representative forms of government, fighting oppression, standing up for those who cannot and freedom.
Those common goals, Flipper. We may sometimes disagree on the methods means, but for over 150 years, Great Britain has been a loyal and staunch ally. It is a shame that your supposed vast knowledge of history doesn't include that.
---I'm not a bigot, my views are similar to those of Arizona sherif Joseph Arpaio.
Actually, they aren't. Arpaio believes in the rule of law. You believe it what you think is "fair." Arpaio believes in judging a person on his character. You believe a person should be judged on their station in life. (And besides, it is tough to judge someone on character when you have none.)
You are far from Arpaio, Flipper.
----Yes it is because the mainstream culture is anti-white and anti-Christian.
Which has nothing to do with celebrating and embracing the different ethnic cultures that make up this country.
I'm not a bigot it's diversity and multiculturalism that is bigoted,
Of course you are a bigot. You have proven that time and time again. Look at this post and see how many times you look at people through race colored glassed. You can't bring yourself to judge a man on his character. You just don't have it in you.
Did you know that if you're minority and you bid on a government job you're more likely to get it?
Did you know that you are wrong?
Probably not, but that is nothing new.
---Very funny, my prejudice isn't based on infantile notions of racial superiority.
Well, it seems we are getting somewhere. You just admitted that you are prejudiced.
---Only the traitors support that, the ones that want to have it both ways, live in America but visit their families in Cuba.
Traitors? Traitors to who or what? You? What a joke.
As to who you think are traitors, how dare anyone want to visit their families. Dirty rotten scum. How dare they think their mother, fathers, sisters, brothers and other relatives are important.
How dare people try to expose a communist country to freedom. Heck, the people might enjoy it and want to establish it Cuba. But no..... little Flipper doesn't want that.
You don't even stand for freedom, Flipper. You only stand for the freedoms you want and those you think others should have.
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But the cuban hardliners, the one that fought to save Elian from being brainwashed in Cuba,
You mean the same people that followed the rule, letter, and spirit of the law in the Gonzolez case? Those people? The Supreme Court people?
And by the way, Elian was here illegally. I thought you hated illegal immigrants. Guess not. Just another flip flop from you.
Obama's making Nixon mistake, you don't spread democracy through trade, if that worked China would be a democracy.
You're right. I mean, it was better to sit there and pretend that a billion Chinese people didn't exist. Is there any doubt that the Chinese are better off today than before Nixon? Nope. Look how much harder the PRC is having to keep the breath of freedom from getting into the country, and yet you would have had them just be ignored.
Once again, you are a freedom hating liberal.
---Funny, I hate Fidel Castro yet you, Mr. Perfect Conservative, Mr. Patriot, are a conservative who wants to trade with him.
I don't want to trade with Castro. He's about to die. Opening trade with Cuba would benefit both countries in the long run. This has been debated since the Ford administration. I suspect that when Fidel passes away, the people in Cuba will see more freedom and want even more.
But you don't want to support them. You want to support the oppression they endure and let them suffer. You don't want to expose them to the freedom that democracy can give them.
I suspect that part of your hatred is the fear that some farmer who drives a 56 Chevy with balding tires can do your "job" better than you do. You don't want the additional competition.
Once again, you show yourself to be a freedom hating liberal.
---I'm surprised, you used quotes this time. Are you being sarcastic?
Nope. Just didn't want you to confuse yourself with the classic definition of "liberal."
What you are is what you are...... a military hating, freedom hating, bigoted, jealous liberal.
"You mean the same people that followed the rule, letter, and spirit of the law in the Gonzolez case?"
---I'm not familiar with the Gonzalez case so I'm not commenting.
"And by the way, Elian was here illegally. I thought you hated illegal immigrants. Guess not. Just another flip flop from you."
---Elian wasn't here illegally, the moment a Cuba touches dry land on US soil he is entitled to benefits no other immigrant gets. That's why our US Coast Guard fights so hard to stop them at sea, otherwise you can't deport them.
"You're right. I mean, it was better to sit there and pretend that a billion Chinese people didn't exist."
---Tell me, how do you feel when GM closes a plant in America and opens one in China?
"Is there any doubt that the Chinese are better off today than before Nixon? Nope. Look how much harder the PRC is having to keep the breath of freedom from getting into the country, and yet you would have had them just be ignored."
---Everything's censored in China, TV, newspapers, internet. They may have prosperity but they do not have freedom. Even religion has to be approved by the state and God help the religious leader that tries to evangelize a little more than usual. You say you're a conservative, then why not use Ronald Reagan's approach to communism? Reagan normalized relations between the USSR after perestroika, not before.
"I don't want to trade with Castro. He's about to die."
---You're going to be traiding with Raul which people say is worse than Castro.
"But you don't want to support them. You want to support the oppression they endure and let them suffer. You don't want to expose them to the freedom that democracy can give them."
---No, it is the Cuban government I don't want to support. Cuba is desperate for money, that's why they love tourism and allow cuban women and men to sell themselves to horny tourists. Cuba is also full of cheap labor, the moment relations open American companies are gonna go there and create jobs for them and then sell their good here. Get it? If you're gonna do trade, do it with Japan, at least they open factories right here in America. The Cubans have nothing to offer us other than cigars and sugar which will destroy our local industries in Florida.
"I suspect that part of your hatred is the fear that some farmer who drives a 56 Chevy with balding tires can do your "job" better than you do. You don't want the additional competition."
---Very funny, I'm not competing with that farmer, I'm competing with ad school graduates willing to work for peanuts and experienced professionals willing to work for less.
"Once again, you show yourself to be a freedom hating liberal."
---How many liberals you know that hate diversity and multiculturalism? Seriously dude, I'm a right-wing libertarian, that's the label you can use for me.
"What you are is what you are...... a military hating, freedom hating, bigoted, jealous liberal."
---Whatever, you're just saying that to piss me off.
---Arpaio has been accused of breaking the rule of law.
Apparently you missed the fact that he has not been convicted. So in other words, your position that people should follow what is "popular" is contrary to the rule of law and Arpaio's beliefs. That means you are not like him at all.
---We don't have Irish History Month, German History Month, Gree History Month. Hmmm, how come it's politically incorrect to celebrate european cultures?
German History month is September 15 to October 15. Irish History Month runs from late February through March.
Once again, you're wrong on the facts.
---Really, then explain this:
Sure. The explanation is that you are an idiot. That is the explanation that best fits the facts. You see, your original post was "Did you know that if you're minority and you bid on a government job you're more likely to get it?"
Newsflash for you Flipper..... Nordstrom is a private company. Only an idiot would confuse a private company with the government.
---Everyone has prejudices, it's normal.
I see we still have some work to do. We have gotten you to admit that you are prejudiced, but now you are trying to quibble that fact away. You just want to close your eyes to your racist and bigoted prejudices as claim that you are "normal."
---You can't say you hate communism and then spend money in Cuba!
Oh? Says who?
Buddy, this is the Land of the Free, not the Land of the Poor hoping to get Rich.
Quick! Get out the grinders and erase "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses" from what is arguably the most iconic symbol of freedom on the world - the Statue of Liberty.
Flipper the Racist has declared that people can't come here to make a better life for themselves economically!
---Please, the average Cuban already has satellite TV dishes,
Satellite dishes are illegal in Cuba, Flipper. They are illegal for the precise reason that the government doesn't want freedom and democracy into the country.
they already meet with american tourists that travel through Mexico or the Bahamas.
So, tourism and meeting Americans in other settings is a good thing, but meeting in Cuba is bad.
An amazing instance of "Flipper logic."
They already listen to Radio Marti through short-wave radio.
Ho hum.
http://tinyurl.com/yklrofg
Frankly, who are you to decide what is or is not enough freedom for Cubans? All the things you cited are being attacked and oppressed by the Cuban government. Is it really your position that Cuba would attack things that strengthen its form of government?
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---I'm not familiar with the Gonzalez case so I'm not commenting.
And yet you did: "Elian wasn't here illegally......"
Another amazing instance of ignorance from you.
---Elian wasn't here illegally, the moment a Cuba touches dry land on US soil he is entitled to benefits no other immigrant gets.
You would be correct except for the fact that the law applies to those who reach the US. Gonzales never did. Fishermen rescued him from the sea and turned him over to the Coast Guard. The stipulation that you are citing does not apply to those rescued at sea. Furthermore, the child's legal guardian and remaining parent wanted him back in Cuba. The child had no standing in the US at all.
You are simply wrong on this as well, but being that you won't comment on the case, I would hope this is the end of that.
---Tell me, how do you feel when GM closes a plant in America and opens one in China?
It is a natural result of liberal policies that say workers control costs, salaries, supplies, etc. The unions have ruined companies like GM by demanding the same policies that you want.
---Everything's censored in China, TV, newspapers, internet.
Yep. But you are starting to see more and more cracks in the system because of the freedoms that the people are being shown. We have seen this before with Poland and the Berlin Wall. People, when exposed to freedoms, will want more.
You say you're a conservative, then why not use Ronald Reagan's approach to communism?
Regan's approach was to expose as much of the populace to democracy and what it could bring the common man. Regan also favored a strong military and was admired by men and women in uniform. You, on the other hand, want to deny people access to visions and glimpses of freedom and you hate the military and those who serve honorably in it.
---You're going to be traiding with Raul which people say is worse than Castro.
This site was slow uploading last night and a word was left out of my post. Let me restate. I don't want to trade with Castro or Raul. I want to trade with the common man. I want to trade with the guy running a business. I know that if we do that, democracy will spread.
---Very funny, I'm not competing with that farmer, I'm competing with ad school graduates willing to work for peanuts and experienced professionals willing to work for less.
In that the farmer can do the same thing you do, he is a threat to you, Flipper. In fact, because he will stand up for what he believes, not whine when things go bad, and be self sufficient, he is more qualified than you are.
---How many liberals you know that hate diversity and multiculturalism?
All of them. They, like you, claim to support diversity but in fact, hate it. Just like you do. It isn't the words, Flipper, it is the actions. Well, most of the time. In your case, you manage to show through your words and actions that you are a liberal.
---Whatever, you're just saying that to piss me off.
Sorry that the truth makes you angry Flipper.
"Quick! Get out the grinders and erase "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses" from what is arguably the most iconic symbol of freedom on the world - the Statue of Liberty."
---Please, that poetry was written by someone who sympathizes with immigrants. In reality those are empty words since the tired and poor are often deported. What do you think we do with the Haitians when they show up dehydrated in Miami after a perilous journey by sea? We give them medical attention and then we send them home.
"Flipper the Racist has declared that people can't come here to make a better life for themselves economically!"
---Yet you support deporting illegal mexicans who are trying to make money? See? You're not that different from me, only more self-rightious.
"Satellite dishes are illegal in Cuba, Flipper. They are illegal for the precise reason that the government doesn't want freedom and democracy into the country."
---They are illegal but Cubans have them. Besides, Cuba doesn't want freedom and democracy, they want money.
Fine, I was wrong on Radio Marti.
"Furthermore, the child's legal guardian and remaining parent wanted him back in Cuba. The child had no standing in the US at all."
---That case was being appealed and what did Janet Reno do? She sent her gestapo-like agents to kidnap the boy. I saw the pictures, never mind that Elian's family in Miami wanted to save him from Communism, Janet cared more about Elian's so-called "father," a man who didn't give a damn about his son until Castro forced him to.
"It is a natural result of liberal policies that say workers control costs, salaries, supplies, etc. The unions have ruined companies like GM by demanding the same policies that you want."
----Who forced GM to have unions? Who forced them to agree to outrageous policies? You can't blame it all on the unions. What about GM? What about their lack of innovation? Toyota and Honda have been doing hybrid vehicles way before GM got into the game.
"I want to trade with the common man. I want to trade with the guy running a business. I know that if we do that, democracy will spread."
---Very well, but Castro and Raul are going to get their cut. That's like going to Miami thinking "I don't want Charlie Crist to get my money." Well, if you buy something there's a sales tax, if you rent a car there's a tourist tax, stay at a hotel... you get the picture.
"In your case, you manage to show through your words and actions that you are a liberal."
---Voting for McCain was an action, joining and donating to the NRA were actions, buying books by Bill O'reilly and Ann Coulter, alos actions. Yet because I have a few controversial positions suddenly I'm a raving liberal in your eyes.
But you know what? I understand, self-proclaimed liberal Juan Williams was told to go back to the porch while debating a liberal black man. So if a self-proclaimed liberal is doubted by his own kind, I guess I can understand you doubting me.
"They, like you, claim to support diversity but in fact, hate it."
----They like racial and cultural diverstiy, I like ideological diversity. Big difference!
If I was a liberal then I would have to love Obama. After all, Obama's a liberal wet dream, he cares for the poor, hates the rich, has a global outlook, gives great speeches, happens to be black while makes white liberals feel less guilty about the past, has a muslim name, never served in the military, doesn't like war, etc, etc, etc.
Yet even you cannot deny my profound dislike for the president. So think about it, why would a liberal hate Obama? If anything liberals are proud our POTUS can't make up his mind about sending more troops to Afghanistan.
Furthermore, I do not hate our military. I have never supported budget cuts when it comes to military expenses, I have never been anti-war, I have never questioned the casualties of war or collateral damage, I don't consider waterboarding torture, I don't mind rendition, I love military recruiters and hate how San Francisco has banned from from high schools.
I admit being grossly misinformed about Prince Harry and I feel guilty about some of the things I said regarding his service, but I have never spoken that way about a US soldier.
---Please, that poetry was written by someone who sympathizes with immigrants.
There ya go. Your bigotry in action again.
---They are illegal but Cubans have them.
You said "they all have them." They don't. Another lie from you.
Besides, Cuba doesn't want freedom and democracy, they want money.
That is why they come to this country, eh? To make sure they don't partake of the freedom and democracy here.
---That case was being appealed and what did Janet Reno do?
The 3rd Circuit had already ruled against the "family" and the Supreme Court had refused to grant cert when the INS came for the child.
But I thought you weren't going to comment on the Gonzalez case Flipper?
----Who forced GM to have unions? Who forced them to agree to outrageous policies?
Uhhh.... unions?
The same liberally bent unions you are now backing. Once again, your actions betray you.
Toyota and Honda have been doing hybrid vehicles way before GM got into the game.
One word: EV1.
Besides, liberal Flipper, you have to remember that the big three had such overhead costs from unions that they had to make the SUV's to stay in business. When you look at the economics of the labor costs of the Honda, Toyota, and Hundai plants, they are not unionized and are much less.
---Very well, but Castro and Raul are going to get their cut.
There ya go. Think only of the big people. For all your pronouncements, you don't care about the little guy. You want him held captive in communist countries because you can't compete with him. You don't give a crap about the "little guy" or your so called "under dog." You care about you and your liberal mates.
---Voting for McCain was an action, joining and donating to the NRA were actions, buying books by Bill O'reilly and Ann Coulter, alos actions.
Yep. Of course all of these things you do in private - in the comfort of your basement. Even so, doing those things doesn't mean you are a conservative anymore than living in a coop means you are a chicken.
So if a self-proclaimed liberal is doubted by his own kind, I guess I can understand you doubting me.
We are making progress. You are now a self proclaimed liberal.
----They like racial and cultural diverstiy, I like ideological diversity. Big difference!
Right. You like only people that think like you. They fact that they all look like you is not racial. Not at all, Flipper.
So think about it, why would a liberal hate Obama?
Because even a broken clock is right twice a day. And in case you missed it, the rancor from the left against Obama is rising. So I guess you and your buds are rising up.
I admit being grossly misinformed about Prince Harry and I feel guilty about some of the things I said regarding his service, but I have never spoken that way about a US soldier.
Actually you have Flipper. Remember the England conversation? The one where you claimed that the members of the jury were all corrupt?
You have spoken against military men and women who do not hold your views and accused them of being traitors and dishonorable service.
Sorry Flipper, some of us won't forget your hatred.
But I will say that your apology for Harry is noted and the right thing to do.
Good move.
"Yep. Of course all of these things you do in private - in the comfort of your basement. Even so, doing those things doesn't mean you are a conservative anymore than living in a coop means you are a chicken."
---Why would a liberal do those things?
"We are making progress. You are now a self proclaimed liberal."
---I was using your terminology, you see me as a self-proclaimed liberal so I was using your words in that sentence.
"Right. You like only people that think like you. They fact that they all look like you is not racial. Not at all, Flipper."
---That's not true, my standard for friendship is very simple. If you enjoy my company and I enjoy yours, that's all I need. I don't make friends based on race, gender, politics, etc.
"Because even a broken clock is right twice a day. And in case you missed it, the rancor from the left against Obama is rising. So I guess you and your buds are rising up."
---But that rancor is because Obama is not liberal enough for them, my rancor is because he's too liberal for me. If he closes Guantanamo, if he passes health care, if he doesn't send more troops to Afghanistan, the left will love him once again.
"Actually you have Flipper. Remember the England conversation? The one where you claimed that the members of the jury were all corrupt?"
---Fine, I guess I went too far.
"You have spoken against military men and women who do not hold your views and accused them of being traitors and dishonorable service."
---Only with Colin Powel, John Kerry and Jeremiah Wright. In a way, they are like military deserters, except that instead of deserting their units they deserted their country. Kerry lied about what American soldiers did in Vietnam, Wright said "the chickens have come home to roost" regarding 9/11 and Powel betrayed pro-war McCain for pro-peace Obama.
Powel, who used to be a darling of the right, prove that a black man can succeed without special treatment, ended up betraying the GOP. And for what? For another black man, I guess in the end race proved more important than idelogy.
"But I will say that your apology for Harry is noted and the right thing to do.
Good move"
---Thank you. Glad to get some credit from you because it sure ain't easy to get .
"Yep. Of course all of these things you do in private - in the comfort of your basement. Even so, doing those things doesn't mean you are a conservative anymore than living in a coop means you are a chicken."
---Why would a liberal do those things?
"We are making progress. You are now a self proclaimed liberal."
---I was using your terminology, you see me as a self-proclaimed liberal so I was using your words in that sentence.
"Right. You like only people that think like you. They fact that they all look like you is not racial. Not at all, Flipper."
---That's not true, my standard for friendship is very simple. If you enjoy my company and I enjoy yours, that's all I need. I don't make friends based on race, gender, politics, etc.
"Because even a broken clock is right twice a day. And in case you missed it, the rancor from the left against Obama is rising. So I guess you and your buds are rising up."
---But that rancor is because Obama is not liberal enough for them, my rancor is because he's too liberal for me. If he closes Guantanamo, if he passes health care, if he doesn't send more troops to Afghanistan, the left will love him once again.
"Actually you have Flipper. Remember the England conversation? The one where you claimed that the members of the jury were all corrupt?"
---Fine, I guess I went too far.
"You have spoken against military men and women who do not hold your views and accused them of being traitors and dishonorable service."
---Only with Colin Powel, John Kerry and Jeremiah Wright. In a way, they are like military deserters, except that instead of deserting their units they deserted their country. Kerry lied about what American soldiers did in Vietnam, Wright said "the chickens have come home to roost" regarding 9/11 and Powel betrayed pro-war McCain for pro-peace Obama.
Powel, who used to be a darling of the right, prove that a black man can succeed without special treatment, ended up betraying the GOP. And for what? For another black man, I guess in the end race proved more important than idelogy.
"But I will say that your apology for Harry is noted and the right thing to do.
Good move"
---Thank you. Glad to get some credit from you because it sure ain't easy to get .
---Why would a liberal do those things?
I have no idea. Why don't you ask yourself?
---I was using your terminology, you see me as a self-proclaimed liberal so I was using your words in that sentence.
Sorry, but you were the one who mentioned "self-proclaimed liberal" in describing Juan Williams.
It isn't my term, it is yours.
---That's not true, my standard for friendship is very simple. If you enjoy my company and I enjoy yours, that's all I need. I don't make friends based on race, gender, politics, etc.
Of course you do. Your hatred of other races is palatable. Your hatred and envy of those who have succeeded in life more than you have is clear for all to see. Of course, that is when you are behind a keyboard. In public, we have you saying that you don't stand up for what you believe. You don't put your thoughts and ideas into practice. You are a person who goes along to get along.
---Only with Colin Powel, John Kerry and Jeremiah Wright.
Welp, here you went and screwed up again. You just said your charge that Harry had not served with honor was done out of ignorance and I applauded you for it. You seemed to want to distance yourself from the attack on the jury in the England trial.
Then you have the gaul to say that you have only attacked the the men listed above.
What is it with you?
Do you tell so many lies that in the span of 30 seconds you can't remember what you have said and done?
"Sorry, but you were the one who mentioned "self-proclaimed liberal" in describing Juan Williams."
---Yes, I said Juan Williams is a self-proclaimed liberal, I mentioned he gets accused of being conservative by his liberal comrades. So, I think in my case, a libertarian conservative right-winger, I also get accused of being a liberal everytime somebody disagrees with me.
"Of course you do. Your hatred of other races is palatable. Your hatred and envy of those who have succeeded in life more than you have is clear for all to see. Of course, that is when you are behind a keyboard."
---If I hated and envied succesful people I would advocate raising their taxes like Obama does. One of the most brilliant things Rush Limbaugh says is that punishing the rich does nothing for the average person. In other words, my life will be the same whether Donald Trump pays 80% in taxes, 50% or 10%. Now, do I envy succesful people sometimes? Yes, but it's good envy, it's admiration, it's "I like the money you have and I wish I could be as rich as you."
"In public, we have you saying that you don't stand up for what you believe. You don't put your thoughts and ideas into practice. You are a person who goes along to get along. "
---Hey, at my first job I did stood up for my beliefs and the result was constant arguing, so I got tired of doing that ok? I read "How to talk to a liberal if you must" by Ann Coulter. She emphasizes "if you must" since talking to liberals can be very aggravating, unless they're open minded to new ideas.
"Welp, here you went and screwed up again. You just said your charge that Harry had not served with honor was done out of ignorance and I applauded you for it. You seemed to want to distance yourself from the attack on the jury in the England trial."
---Fine, I was wrong in attacking the jury at England's trial. I should have attacked their decision and not themselves personally, that was my mistake.
"Do you tell so many lies that in the span of 30 seconds you can't remember what you have said and done?"
---Oh stop, it's just you're too picky and take things too seriously. Sometimes I make generalizations because they make debate easier with other people, you're not one of those other people.
---Yes, I said Juan Williams is a self-proclaimed liberal, I mentioned he gets accused of being conservative by his liberal comrades. So, I think in my case, a libertarian conservative right-winger, I also get accused of being a liberal everytime somebody disagrees with me.
Several points: You are not accused of being a liberal because people disagree with you. You are a liberal because of your stances. Secondly, it was YOUR term. I never used it. You accused me of using it, but that was incorrect.
Once again, instead of just saying "my bad," you went off on another rant trying to justify your mistake and then blame it on others.
Yes, but it's good envy, it's admiration, it's "I like the money you have and I wish I could be as rich as you."
Yeah right. That is why you have said in the past you relish when people that are more successful than you fail or have a private matter exposed. You have said that you like to seem them pulled down.
---Hey, at my first job I did stood up for my beliefs and the result was constant arguing, so I got tired of doing that ok?
Which doesn't explain why you have said in the past that you NEVER expose your true beliefs in the real world. Once again, this is a quibble from you that doesn't stand the light of day.
She emphasizes "if you must" since talking to liberals can be very aggravating, unless they're open minded to new ideas.
You have proven this over and over again.
---Oh stop, it's just you're too picky and take things too seriously.
More liberal quibbling from the Flipper.
"Yeah right. That is why you have said in the past you relish when people that are more successful than you fail or have a private matter exposed. You have said that you like to seem them pulled down."
---It is quite common actually, the germans call it "shaddenfreude" or shameful joy. It's the reason people enjoy Jerry Springer and pick up trashy celeb magazines. Stephen King himself says that compelling characters are those who face challenges, so if you write a book you should throw rocks at your character and make him suffer.
"Which doesn't explain why you have said in the past that you NEVER expose your true beliefs in the real world. Once again, this is a quibble from you that doesn't stand the light of day."
---I expose my real beliefs with friends and by writing letters to the editor. Also, being 34, I'm at an age where my beliefs are clearly defined and I don't care who disagrees with them.
---It is quite common actually, the germans call it "shaddenfreude" or shameful joy. It's the reason people enjoy Jerry Springer and pick up trashy celeb magazines.
So the idea that relishing in the failures of others may be commonplace makes it right?
Congratulations. You just proved my point.
---I expose my real beliefs with friends and by writing letters to the editor.
So you agree that your views are not those that you put into practice and that you try to hide them.
There's a word for that, and it isn't flattering to you.
Also, being 34, I'm at an age where my beliefs are clearly defined and I don't care who disagrees with them.
Then why don't you put them into practice? Clearly you do care. Clearly your beliefs are not well defined other than you feel it is acceptable to lie, to quibble, and to hide from the truth. Clearly your beliefs are more inline with the liberal side of the political fence. You would just rather play on both sides because you don't have the guts to take a stand.
"So the idea that relishing in the failures of others may be commonplace makes it right?"
---I don't know about right, maybe it makes it acceptable.
"So you agree that your views are not those that you put into practice and that you try to hide them."
---I try to put my views into practice, but sometimes it's just imposible. The ad industry is dominated by liberals and people who don't fit in are often pushed out. Plus, my own incompetence already endangers my likelyhood of keeping a job. The only job where I spoke my mind freely was in Dallas, Texas, a somewhat liberal city yet open minded enough to allow me to come to work wearing a confederate flag t-shirt.
"There's a word for that, and it isn't flattering to you."
---What word is that? Hypocrite?
"You would just rather play on both sides because you don't have the guts to take a stand."
---I don't play any sides, in fact, I get in trouble with both sides because I'm true to my beliefs first.
---I don't know about right, maybe it makes it acceptable.
Acceptable only in the eyes of those who revel in the failures of others. It is the "everyone does it, so it must be okay" defense.
Such a thought process lacks critical thinking and any type of a moral compass.
---I try to put my views into practice, but sometimes it's just imposible.
No, it's not. That is a premise that I won't accept. You can stand up for what you believe in any type of circumstance.
Paraphrasing Edmund Burke, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
When you do nothing or say nothing, you are not even a speed bump in the process. Silence is generally considered acceptance.
---I don't play any sides, in fact, I get in trouble with both sides because I'm true to my beliefs first.
Look, we have been debating long enough for me to know that this isn't true at all. You never have a straight and true course. You quibble on everything.
You don't stay true to anything and that is troubling. You are at best a moral relativist.
And that is not a good thing.
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