Thursday, July 23, 2009



Arab Christian Group Claims First Amendment Rights Denied On Public Property

We read:
"The leader of an Arab Christian evangelical group filed suit against the city of Dearborn, Mich., claiming the city violated his First Amendment right to distribute literature on public property. The incident occurred last month at the city's annual Arab International Festival, an event that attracted 300,000 visitors and has provided a favorite evangelizing venue for the group, Arabic Christian Perspective, whose members have attended for the past five years.

George Saieg, Arabic Christian Perspective's founder, says trouble started when he called the Dearborn police to let them know his group would be returning to the festival. City police told Saieg that, unlike in previous years, his group would not be allowed to distribute material on the sidewalks, and that Arabic Christian Perspective could either rent a stand at the festival or be assigned a specific location at which it could distribute its literature.

With the help of the Thomas More Law Center, a conservative Christian legal group, Saieg sought a temporary injunction to stop the city from preventing his group from distributing materials on the sidewalk. But the petition was denied, and the group was permitted to distribute literature only at one location within the festival.

Saieg says that the spot was a particularly bad one, and that his group was able to distribute only $5,000 worth of literature and Bibles -- a fraction of the $50,000 worth of materials that they had prepared. In past years, he said, when they were allowed to distribute on the sidewalks, they were able to give out most of their literature.

Now Saieg is suing to get the city's action declared unconstitutional and to make sure that it has access to the sidewalks at next year's festival.

But city officials say they acted correctly. "One federal judge has already agreed with us and denied a temporary injunction," Mary Laundroche, Director of the Dearborn Office of Public Information, told FOXNews.com. "The judge agreed with us that what normally would have been public sidewalks were actually part of the festival life during the festival."

She added that members of Arabic Christian Perspective were free to preach on the sidewalks, just not to distribute materials. "They were free to go throughout the crowd and talk with people at any time. They were just prevented from distributing materials, which was a public safety issue -- they could block vehicle and pedestrian traffic." [A SAFETY issue! What BS!]

Whether Saieg is welcome or not, two First Amendment experts said sidewalks are usually considered "traditional public fora" in which distributing materials is considered protected speech, and the city's defense of its action does not appear constitutionally strong.

Source

17 comments:

Use the Name, Luke said...

"They were free to go throughout the crowd and talk with people at any time. They were just prevented from distributing materials, which was a public safety issue -- they could block vehicle and pedestrian traffic."

FOR SALE: One bridge. CHEAP!!

If you believe Ms. Laundroche, you deserve to buy a bridge. See here and here for some of what happened at that event.

Anonymous said...

At least they know that the $5,000 worth of stuff was given to people who were actually interested.

I know that when I get given something on the sidewalk, it usually doesn't stay with me very long, typically as far as the nearest trash can, which is almost always filled with the thing I'm throwing out. So I'm not the only one.

Maybe at next years festival they'll move on getting a booth quicker and get a better location.

Stan B said...

Anonymous 1:51 AM

I know that when I get given something on the sidewalk, it usually doesn't stay with me very long, typically as far as the nearest trash can, which is almost always filled with the thing I'm throwing out. So I'm not the only one.

Yes, an excellent reason to restrict their First Amendment rights to Freedom of Expression! Your legal mind is near genius! Next you can tell us how public sidewalks aren't "really" public in this case, or how the arbitrary decision isn't really capricious!

Bravo!

Mongo said...

"Yes, an excellent reason to restrict their First Amendment rights to Freedom of Expression! Your legal mind is near genius!"

Where did Anon 1:51 say he/she wanted to restrict the First Amendment? Where did he say he/she was giving a legal opinion?

You are the one who extrapolated their comments to suit your agenda.

Anonymous said...

Stan,

Are you honestly saying that you keep every single pamphlet that you get given on the street?

They were still allowed to hand out stuff, just in a more organized way. State fairs are already pretty chaotic and cramped. No point inviting more of it than you need.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe the city had the right to stop them from handing out their materials on public property. But, the city would (and does) have the right to issue summonses for anyone obstructing those public thoroughfares.

Anonymous said...

Let the christians and muslims fight it out - who cares which version of their middle-eastern mumbo-jumbo distributes the most printed material - except it's a sad waste of good trees!

Anonymous said...

All the printed material printed out and handed out, most likely wouldn’t even come close to a daily run of any cities newspaper. Cancel the news papers, and save trees.

Mobius

Anonymous said...

"All the printed material printed out and handed out, most likely wouldn’t even come close to a daily run of any cities newspaper. Cancel the news papers, and save trees."

No, but it did cost the organization fifty grand. they've now saved 45 grand and not had most of it end up in a landfill.

Anonymous said...

No, but it did cost the organization fifty grand. they've now saved 45 grand and not had most of it end up in a landfill.

Huh? They said they spent $50k on materials and only gave out $5k. How is that a savings?

InFides said...

Hello Good Gentles All!

Hello Anonymous 10:16!

Well said, sir.

Hello Anonymous 9:50!

These people did not want to save their $50K. They wanted to spend it and then exercise their God given and constitutionally protected right to speak to their fellow citizens in public.

Consider this:

You have bought and paid for your computer and your internet service so you can blog (among other things.)

I, the government, hereby forbid you the right to blog or post your thoughts or speak your opinion on-line.

I have now saved you the costs of internet service and wear and tear on your computer.

Do you think I have done you a favor?

Are you going to say "Thank you," to me for all the money I have saved you?

Pax,

InFides

Stan B said...

Mongo,

My "agenda" is nothing more than Equal Protection under the Law. I realize in a world of "hate crimes" and "special rights" that may be heresy, but that's what it is.

The First Amendment is not just some paragraph in a story book somewhere, it is the foundation of all freedom, for if we cannot express ourselves, we are not free.

The courts have ruled on what restrictions can be put into place, and when - but they are very specific about it. "Nobody cares what you say" has never been a valid reason for restriction, any more than "what you say offends me" is.

Mongo said...

Stan,

Agreed. I initially complained about your response to Anon 1:51, not your points.

Anonymous said...

This is why we should return to the old days when everyone could carry a gun. Arguments like this wouldn't take place. Well, not for long!

Nutcase said...

I can't believe no one saw the irony here.

If this had been a Muslim group this would be a non-issue. They would be allowed to hand out whatever they wanted (most likely a "convert or die" pamphlet).

Why you ask, tell me, when was the first time a Christian ever blew anyone up for "offending" him?

Muslims, Gays, Blacks, Hispanics, etc.. (insert any "minority" here) have a right to do and say whatever they want, Christians, whites, straight men have no rights in the "New World Order"!

Anonymous said...

Very true Nutcase, and you can thank your fellow citizens for that. Because of their weakness and total lack of will, they've lost their government, and are well on the way to losing their country.

Anonymous said...

"Very true Nutcase, and you can thank your fellow citizens for that. Because of their weakness and total lack of will, they've lost their government, and are well on the way to losing their country."

White people and Christians have to start playing by the right set of rules. I know it's pissing you off when people complain about nothing, I know you hate stupid law suits, I know it was better in the 1950's....

But people, times have changed. You are the new minority and you are discriminated against. You have to fight back and you have to do so within the system. Others have already created rules to protect you against discrimination. I suggest you use them!

http://www.vdare.com/buchanan/090720_white_evangelicals.htm