Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Must not say that suicide can be selfish

When it leaves behind a young family it can be -- though it is of course also an awful thing that someone could feel so despairing. Suicide counsellors do use reminders of the effect on family to deter the act
Footballer Joey Barton was at the centre of a controversy over comments he made on Twitter about Gary Speed's death, describing suicide as a 'selfish' act.

Welsh football legend Gary Speed was tragically found hanged at his home on Sunday morning in what is thought could have been a suicide. Like countless others, Barton took to Twitter to speak of his shock at Speed's death and paid tribute to him.

He posted: 'Just hearing about Gary Speed, to say am shocked is an understatement. 'My thoughts are with his family and friends. Really sad news.'

However, his tributes were then swiftly followed - with astonishingly tactless timing - by his views on suicide. The outspoken footballer added: 'Suicide is a mix of the most tragic, most selfish, most terrible (and I want to believe preventable) acts out there.'

As Twitter users bombarded Barton in an online backlash, the star - unrepentant - branded his critics as having 'half a brain' instead of apologising for his offensive comments.

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52 comments:

Sig said...

Simply put, suicide is very selfish. While it might be argued that relieving one's self and family of the pain and agony of a terminal disease might not be considered selfish, depression is certainly not a reason for suicide. Come on, people, man-up, face your problems and fears, and get over it. This world has become a world of coddled pussies.

Can't stand the heat, getting out of the kitchen is not the answer. Try cooling off, focusing, and getting back to cooking. You are needed.

Bird of Paradise said...

Suicide last desperate act of a determed person

Anonymous said...

Suicide is the act of a person whose family or community fail him/her.

Anonymous said...

What's wrong with being selfish? That's not the same as being inconsiderate.

-L

Anonymous said...

Suicide is selfish. They don't think of the impact their death has on the people around them and close to them.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 4:25 said...
"Suicide is the act of a person whose family or community fail him/her..."

Obviously, a liberal bleeding heart. Suicide is the act of a person who has failed him/her (self).

Anonymous said...

Conservatism is selfish. They don't think of the impact their actions has on the people around them and close to them.

Sig said...

Anon 8:40 said, "Conservatism is selfish. They don't think of the impact their actions has on the people around them and close to them."

Actually, quite the opposite. Conservatism promotes self-sufficiency in attempt to remove dependency on "the system". Yes, it can and does run afoul, but if controlled properly, it can benefit everyone.

The problem with Liberalism is that they take the control to the extreme. In trying to please everyone, Liberals strip the individual of rights and liberties.

Anonymous said...

Suicide is a cowards way out or someone that is mentally ill.

Dean said...

"Suicide is selfish. They don't think of the impact their death has on the people around them and close to them." - Anon 6:18

Actually many who consider suicide or actually carry through with it feel they are favorably impacting those they leave behind. They think the world will be better without them, that they are doing everyone a favor.

A friend who attempted suicide many times tried to explain the depth of her feelings of depression and hopelessness, the feeling that nobody would miss her and would in fact be happier if she was gone.

As someone who has dealt with mild depression I can tell you that just manning-up and getting over it takes a whole lot more than someone who hasn't been there will ever know. I can't imagine what it would take to get through the level of depression felt by someone who is driven to suicide.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:20 am

Exactly. "Pro choice" strips the innocent unborn life of his or her rights. It places the rights of a preferred group over the rights of others. It is liberalism in a nutshell.

Anonymous said...

@11:01 - If you don't like abortion, then don't have one. Keep your right wing crap to yourself and leave me out of it.

Kee Bird said...

Those who commit suicide are not cowards just fools who have lost all hope

Anonymous said...

not fools but deserving of sympathy and too-late support.

Anonymous said...

@Anon 2:59, so just who speaks for the unborn baby who is killed by the abortion? Why does the mother have the right to determine if her unborn baby should live or not? Where do you draw the line? What if a mother wanted to kill her teenage daughter because she felt she should no longer live?

Abortions happen more out of convenience to the mother than any other reason. The solution is painfully simple: Be responsible when considering sex. Pregnancy is an obvious possible outcome, so if you don't want to have a baby, then abstain. It's not rocket science. Sex is either consensual or or it is not. If it is, then TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. If it is not, then ARRESTS SHOULD BE MADE FOR RAPE.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous Anonymous said...

@11:01 - If you don't like abortion, then don't have one. Keep your right wing crap to yourself and leave me out of it.

2:59 AM"

If you love abortion so much, then go abort yourself.

Anonymous said...

5:22 AM - You are just being like the Pope and other unrealistic idealists - appealing to best-case situations like some smug Pharisee. In the real world, legislators, educators, advisors of one sort or another have to deal with real consequences of people's freedom to practise sex or be the victim of unwanted sex (sometimes the result of alcohol or drugs, legal or otherwise), and thus to ban all abortions will simply push such people into the hands of incompetent, exploitative back-street abortionists or resort to dangerous self-induced abortions or even committing suicide, which is why the law was changed, in the hope of finding some compromize under proper clinical conditions, like a fetus under a maximum weeks, or if the mother's life was in danger, etc.
In the end the mother can do what she likes regardless of what you or other pontificating pharisees think in your ivory towers!

Anonymous said...

So is it OK for a mother to then kill her 2 year old? What about her 10 year old? Teens can be a handful What about her 16 year old? Or her 25 year old who sponges off of her? Should she be allowed to kill her too?

The line that Conservatives draw is at conception. Where do you draw the line?

For God's sake TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!

Anonymous said...

4:11 - why don't you simply check out the "slippery slope" fallacious argument, as well as your own IQ or educational level - especially in view of the last 3:44 posting.

Anonymous said...

"The line that Conservatives draw is at conception. "

@4:11 = Right wing religious wackaloon.

Anonymous said...

You say that I pull the slippery slope card, but then you refuse to answer the question of where do you draw the line.

It's sick f*cks like you who scare the sh*i out of the general population. No regard for life. Selfish disregard for liberty and freedom AT ALL LEVELS INCLUDING UNBORN BABIES.

Spurwing Plover said...

Annon 411 is right about this annon 737 People have to take more responibility in their lives and quit blammimg others

Anonymous said...

Let's see here, Anon 10:20 am claims that conservatives strip people of their rights. When it is pointed out to him/her that it is really the opposite and that liberals are the ones stripping peple of their very right to life, his/her response is - if you don't like it, don't do it.

No way anyone can argue with that brain washed illogical reasoning.

Anonymous said...

8:37 - you seem to lack comprehension skills re the wording of posts. It's not for me or you to decide where to draw the line about terminating pregnancies.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:37 - you seem to lack comprehension skills re the wording of posts. It's not for me or you to decide where to draw the line about terminating pregnancies."

How about it is our duty to protect the unborn. Ever hear of this clause you moronic, imbecilic ass?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Anonymous said...

1:28 - looks like you still have the mindset of the 18th century. Try living with the realities of the 21st and dealing with people's freedom to be reckless with themselves and one another. It's no use just pontificating how people OUGHT to behave but dealing with the consequences of how they HAVE behaved. Not you of course in your ivory tower of moral superiority but those whose job it is to deal with social issues. If you believe in forcing people to behave in a certain way, you might well find the Taliban's methods appealing!

Anonymous said...

1:28's unnecessarily long quote of those high sounding words of the 18th century founders of the US about all men being equal etc. didn't of course mention that some of these same men practised slavery and denied women and poor people a vote, etc. There is too much romanticization of history.

Anonymous said...

"certain way, you might well find the Taliban's methods appealing!"

Sounds like you would find the Taliban's methods more appealing you egotistical murdering scumbag. After all they too believe in murdering the innocent and the helpless, while I on the other hand want to insure that the most innocent among us, namely the unborn, receive the unalienable right to life.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 4:28 AM

So basically what you are saying is that 2 wrongs make a right. By supporting the murder of unborn babies, you then should have no qualms if someone murders you or one of your family members, since the only difference between an unborn baby and a born person is age and location. They are both human beings.

Anonymous said...

11:28 - So how do you propose to launch your crusade? Please state the practical and realistic methods!
Btw. I have not murdered anyone, whether born or unborn.
However, there are certain Christians who have wilfully murdered doctors who ran legal abortion clinics.

Anonymous said...

11:36: your comment is ironically infantile. Legal abortions are only allowed under a maximum number of weeks, and then only to avoid the mothers seeking illegal abortions by incompetent back-street abortionists where both the adult mother (and fetus) might die as a result. Or the mother be driven to trying a self-induced abortion with similar results, or committing suicide with ditto results, or committing infanticide after the fully-formed child was born.
You are just a naive armchair moralist aka a pharisee.

Anonymous said...

"Legal abortions are only allowed under a maximum number of weeks, and then only to avoid the mothers seeking illegal abortions by incompetent back-street abortionists where both the adult mother (and fetus) might die as a result. or committing suicide with ditto results, or committing infanticide after the fully-formed child was born.
You are just a naive armchair moralist aka a pharisee.

4:05 AM"

Damn, and I don't suppose you have heard of PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION? You know, that heinous procedure where they induce birth, deliver the baby as a breech all except the head. Then stab a pair of scissors into the baby's head while it is still lodged in the birth canal, and then suction out the brains of that baby.

Try reading the news sometime you moron. You would see that this occurs everyday even with abortion readily available on demand. And this free attitude of abortion is what directly attributes to the lack of respect for life that leads these mothers to kill their babies after birth.

And as for your nonsense about all these women dying due to back alley abortions, they were never a significant factor, less than 1/10th of 1% of abortions are done to protect the mother from death.

Anonymous said...

Yes you can (or should not) equate "bad" late-term or badly conducted abortions with "acceptable" ones (few- cellular or very early terminations), just as you can (or should not) equate badly behaved Christians with other ones. Or gratutiously insulting people who call other people 'moron', 'imbecilic' and 'scumbag' (like you do) and more reserved ones who try to be more pertinent in their argumentation.

Anonymous said...

11:51 Your last paragraph alone is misleading (deliberately or otherwise). Back alley abortionists did not ever give their service to protect their clients from death, but very probably increased their risk of death along with the fetus who may have been at any stage - late term as early, it didn't matter - that was the whole point of giving a legal alternative! You are the type whose naivity does more harm than good!

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