Friday, August 30, 2019



Personal insults are free speech?

Not all personal insults rise to the level of defamation but they are in the same general category of speech.  They have never been protected free speech.

Reasoned criticism is another matter. That is protected.  But the young writer below cannot, apparently, see the difference between criticism and personal insult.  It is rather symptomatic of the vacant Leftist mind that they see insults as criticism. I hate to mention it, but it is possible to make political criticisms without insulting anyone personally. Conservatives do it routinely.

And the response by the conservative below is an example of that. He did not trade insult for insult but simply made some polite proposals. But it would appear that the Leftist concerned did not rise to that level of maturity.

But one can in a way understand the thinking of the woman below. Leftist discourse is so light on reason that insult has to substitute for rational argument among them.  Insults are often all they have got in defending their positions



When I saw a tweet saying that The New York Times newsroom might have bedbugs, I wasn’t especially surprised. The city says the problem is “increasingly common.” It seemed like a mundane inconvenience for the paper of record and joke fodder for its critics. I didn’t expect these jokes to end up infesting my Twitter timeline, but then conservative Times columnist Bret Stephens got involved.

Stephens, a vociferous defender of free speech, went full-on “I’m telling your manager” on a professor who tweeted, “The bedbugs are a metaphor. The bedbugs are Bret Stephens.” The absurd episode exposed, not for the first time and likely not the last, how the free speech double standard works for many intellectuals and politicians on the right.

Many people, including President Donald Trump and Republican politicians trying to crack down on the right to protest, are eager to crusade as champions of liberty and open discourse — until someone lobs the slightest criticism in their direction.

The Stephens incident is just one example. On Monday evening, Dave Karpf, an associate professor at George Washington University, tweeted the joke at the columnist’s expense. Later that night he returned to Twitter to share an email he said Stephens had sent him, with the university’s provost (Karpf's boss) on cc.

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5 comments:

Bill R. said...

Not sure where you got the idea that insults are not free speech, they are. Until speech rises to a threat or libel, it is protected speech. I hate to take a college professor's side but what he said was simply a bad joke. Or a good joke if you believe there are NO conservatives at the New York Times.

peedoffamerican said...

John, John, John, Trump and other are not trying to shut down the right to protest, they are trying to shut down the violent protester mobs like ANTIFA and others that show up to protest or counter-protest and then start the violence.

peedoffamerican said...

We have the right to peaceably assemble, not to show up in masks, and attack people with or w/o arms.

Anonymous said...

Bill R,

You are correct and the Jon is wrong. In addition, there is also the doctrine of "fighting words" which basically says that insults are protected up to the point that the insult is made in person (face to face) and would make a "reasoned person resort to imminent violence."

Up until that point, the insults are protected.

Bird of Paradise said...

He is so ugly he gives Freddy Kruger Nightmares