Rage against three judges leads to conviction
We read:
"After three trials, a jury convicted Internet radio host and blogger Hal Turner of threatening the lives of three U.S. appeals-court judges.
Turner, 48, was found guilty by a federal jury in Brooklyn, New York, of a single count of threatening in Internet postings to assault and murder the judges because he disagreed with one of their rulings. That was the only count he faced.
“There goes the First Amendment for everybody,” Turner’s mother, Kathy Diamond, said after the verdict. “Since when does words mean you threatened to kill somebody?”
Turner used his Web site to post the judges’ names, as well as their photographs and work addresses, and a map of their courthouse.
“Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed,” Turner wrote of the appeals court panel in a Web posting. “Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty. A small price to pay to assure freedom for millions.”
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Two previous juries were "hung" but the government kept on going until a jury gave the "right" answer. It was obviously clear to many previous jurors that saying somebody "deserves" to be killed is an expression of opinion, not a threat and, as such, is entitled to first Amendment protection. One hopes that the verdict is appealed.
He actually said in another posting: "We hope our method does not become necessary", referring to assassinations. So there was again no threat, just a warning of what could be.
He does seem to be a rather nasty bill of goods but he has the same speech rights as anybody else. When I hear of some atrocity, it certainly occurs to me on some occasions that the offender deserves to fry. Do I now have no right to say so in America?
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Good! Put that scumbag behind bars where he belongs. Good Riddance.
You're right Anon80301. How dare this man think that he has a right to his opinion. This is Amerika 2010. If the government wants his opion, they'll give it to him. And if he's tried here in the Peoples Republic of NYC, (a.k.a. Obama-land) he's a gonner! Hopefully he plans to appeal to a higher court, preferably in a non-leftist city.
This is why we need an untraceable bulletin system. So the judges cannot do such evil
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I have added another link to the post in which the guy clearly said he was just stating an opinion
I have added another link to the post in which the guy clearly said he was just stating an opinion
Sorry Jon, but you are wrong here. The date of the article you cited is from 2006. The comments / threats Turner made were in 2009.
Clearly he could not have been saying that his comments in 2006 (directed at Congressmen) would be the same as comments made against judges in 2009.
While Turner wrote the judges "deserve to die," he also wrote "Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges must die. Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty."
He then published the names and addresses of the judges, as well as posted pictures of courthouse highlighting anti terrorist barriers.
He also made the statements after the husband of a federal judge had been killed.
Turner knew what he was doing. This is not some innocent person caught up in rhetoric.
The guy threatened three federal judges and now hopefully will pay the price for it.
Legally speaking, it is still only his opinion! He DID NOT make any direct threat!
Legally speaking, it is still only his opinion! He DID NOT make any direct threat!
Legally speaking, he did make a threat. A judge and 12 people said he did.
He said the judges deserved to die. He said their blood will replenish the "tree of liberty."
He then posted their addresses and phone numbers.
If you don't think that is a threat, then stop posting anonymously and post your name, and where you live.
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