No free speech if you question feminist dogma
American University (AU) is a private United Methodist-affiliated research university in Washington, D.C.
"American University student Alex Knepper certainly has earned a Purple Heart, and perhaps even a Bronze Star with Valor, for his steely and courageous actions in defense of free speech, the First Amendment, academic freedom, and free and open intellectual inquiry. But where, pray tell, have been the American University faculty during this entire brouhaha surrounding Knepper’s “date rape” column?
So far as I can tell, the AU faculty — including the school of communications and law school faculty — have been conspicuously silent and Absent Without Leave (AWOL). Can it be that professionally trained academics, men and women who make their living examining and disseminating ideas, don’t see the danger to free speech posed by AU’s social and cultural jihad against Mr. Knepper’s heretical views?
Mr. Knepper, of course, had published a column in which he made the completely commonsensical point that young college women who get drunk at fraternity parties, and who then escort drunken men to their rooms are, in effect, asking for trouble.
Amazingly, albeit not surprisingly, stating the obvious has gotten Mr. Knepper into hot water with the left-wing campus thought police. But surely, there must be at least a few faculty members who don’t run with the pack, and who believe deeply in free speech and the First Amendment.
Mr. Knepper’s opinion piece has been widely condemned as “hate speech,” which should never have been published. And the student newspaper, the Eagle, after much emotional blackmail and intellectual bullying, has apologized for its supposed lack of editorial judgment.
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The reason you don't hear anything from the faculty is because they are part of the left-wing thought-Nazi's. Their leftist ideology is far more important to them than is free speech, unless of course, it's their speech.
Hate speech? Whom does he hate?
There are all sorts of problems with this post.
Mr. Knepper, of course, had published a column in which he made the completely commonsensical point that young college women who get drunk at fraternity parties, and who then escort drunken men to their rooms are, in effect, asking for trouble.
No, Knepper said that women who drank and returned to a room with a male student had consented to sex.
Here is the exact line he wrote:
Let’s get this straight: any woman who heads to an EI party as an anonymous onlooker, drinks five cups of the jungle juice, and walks back to a boy’s room with him is indicating that she wants sex, OK?
Source: http://www.theeagleonline.com/opinion/story/dealing-with-aus-anti-sex-brigade/
And the student newspaper, the Eagle, after much emotional blackmail and intellectual bullying, has apologized for its supposed lack of editorial judgment.
This leaves the impression that the editor believes they never should have published the piece. In fact, the editors believe that the piece should have been edited better saying, "We stand by our decision to publish controversial opinions and will continue to publish opinions that a majority or minority of the campus community find wrong and potentially offensive.
However, we should have demanded that Knepper’s column be written in a tone befitting such a serious issue.
Source: http://www.theeagleonline.com/opinion/story/a-message-from-the-eagle/
There are several other key points here. First, American University is a private school. Secondly, the paper, The Eagle, is not controlled by the school.
Therefore those who claim that this is an issue of censorship are missing a part of the story. Knepper wrote a piece that was poorly written, and intended to inflame passions without putting forth any meaningful discussion. He was a newspaper's equivalent of a troll. The paper let his piece stand on the basis that a 20 year old gay man should have some basic social and intellectual skills when writing a piece that would appear in their newspaper.
Clearly they were wrong.
Knepper has the right to say what he believes. Those who disagree with him have the right to say what they say as well. Knepper does not have the right to publish in a private newspaper without editing or without repercussions to his reputation and career.
Where were all these drunken women when I was in college?
So if a man gets drunk and a woman or am an takes advantage of him, is it date rape? Alcohol gives you the courage to do what you wouldn't do while sober, so unless there's a date rape drug involved or you have passed out, it ain't rape.
So if a man gets drunk and a woman or am an takes advantage of him, is it date rape? Alcohol gives you the courage to do what you wouldn't do while sober, so unless there's a date rape drug involved or you have passed out, it ain't rape.
So if a man gets drunk and a woman or am an takes advantage of him, is it date rape? Alcohol gives you the courage to do what you wouldn't do while sober, so unless there's a date rape drug involved or you have passed out, it ain't rape.
As one who has "bonked" a drunken college co-ed I can say it's like sticking your dick in a liver filled sock or a Jello filled mayonaise jar.
Give me a sober, albeit lusty 30+ adventure-seeking housewife anytime!
Welcome to the 21st century where Political Correctness dictates there is no such thing as personal responsibility.
It's OK to claim "rape" when a woman chooses to get drunk and then can't control her actions.
It's OK to get an abortion when the woman chose to have sex.
It's OK for parents to serve underage children alcohol and then have them exonerated when the children drive drunk and kill others.
Welcome to the 21st century.
"Let’s get this straight: any woman who heads to an EI party as an anonymous onlooker, drinks five cups of the jungle juice, and walks back to a boy’s room with him is indicating that she wants sex, OK?"
This is actually what I am going to tell my daughter to protect her from getting date raped. No woman deserves to be date raped and no man has the right to force sex no matter how many mixed signals he has gotten. That being said, it doesn't give a free license to be an idiot.
So if a man gets drunk and a woman or am an takes advantage of him, is it date rape? Alcohol gives you the courage to do what you wouldn't do while sober, so unless there's a date rape drug involved or you have passed out, it ain't rape.
So if a guy gets drunk and someone steals their wallet, is that a theft?
Whether it is your body or your money, consent is still the issue.
Everybody knows alcohol impairs your judgment, so if you drink you're responsible for your actions. I don't see lawyers suing Jack Daniels over drunk driving, so if a woman gets drunk and she's not lucky enough to have a girl friend steer her away from men, then yes, her actions are her own responsibility.
so if a woman gets drunk and she's not lucky enough to have a girl friend steer her away from men, then yes, her actions are her own responsibility.
Fine. Did she give her consent? Isn't consent part of the "actions" you say she is responsible for?
Everybody knows alcohol impairs your judgment, so if you drink you're responsible for your actions. I don't see lawyers suing Jack Daniels over drunk driving,
Actually, there are suits like that, but that is not the issue here. You yourself say that drinking impairs ones judgment. So why do you believe that a person should be able to take advantage of an impaired individual?
If a woman passes out in your mom's basement, that gives you the right to rip off her clothes and rape her?
According to the CDC, between 1999 and 2006 in the United States, about 234,000 people were killed by firearms either intentionally or unintentionally. Compare that to the almost 350,000 people killed in motor vehicle accidents.
So why are we not pushing for more stringent driving laws?
In the name of honesty, assuming anyone still cares about that, men are aware (and women even more aware) of the fact that a woman has "many" ways of letting you know she wants to have sex without actually saying so. Of course, if it turns out, after she regains what little common sense she has, that the sex was with someone she doesn't think is so hot, it's rape. Other wise, it's just a good night.
Keep yer pecker in yer pants and there will be no problem.
"Actually, there are suits like that, but that is not the issue here."
---Yes, and they are lawsuits that lack merit unless a judge says otherwise.
"You yourself say that drinking impairs ones judgment. So why do you believe that a person should be able to take advantage of an impaired individual?"
---Maybe because the impaired person wants them to. Or should sex happen only when we're sober? Are you some kind of prohibitionist focusing on the "evils" of alcohol instead of the desires of people? Should we raise the drinking age to 40? I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
"If a woman passes out in your mom's basement, that gives you the right to rip off her clothes and rape her?"
---No, I did not say that, in fact I said that's rape since the passed out woman can't consent. If you give consent, it isn't rape. Remember the Duke Lacross players? The scoundrel who claimed she was rape later retracted the allegations, that whore consented to the gang bang or whatever those boys did to her.
And by the way, didn't your mother ever tell you that it's not polite to mention other people's families in front of them or where you raised in a barn?
---Yes, and they are lawsuits that lack merit unless a judge says otherwise.
Once again, because you are wrong, you try and change the parameters. This is what you initially said: "I don't see lawyers suing Jack Daniels over drunk driving,..."
Lawsuits like that have been filed and a few years ago, a jury awarded a large sum of money to the family of a drunk driver who was killed coming home from a baseball game. In other words, not only was the lawsuit not frivolous, it ended up in a judgment for the plaintiff.
---Maybe because the impaired person wants them to.
Which would mean consent. Stick to the argument here, Bobby / Herschel. Knepper wrote that a drunk woman going back to a guy's room is consent. It is not. You seem to agree with that because that might be the only way you can get a woman other than buying her.
---No, I did not say that, in fact I said that's rape since the passed out woman can't consent.
Okay. Then we agree.
Remember the Duke Lacross players? The scoundrel who claimed she was rape later retracted the allegations,
Apparently I remember the case better than you do. Crystal Magnum never recanted her ever changing story. In fact, she wrote a book claiming that her account was accurate. There is more to the story, but your account is simply wrong.
that whore consented to the gang bang or whatever those boys did to her.
"Whore" as in "prostitute?" The same type of woman that you frequent and think is great?
And by the way, didn't your mother ever tell you that it's not polite to mention other people's families in front of them or where you raised in a barn?
I am pretty darn sure that neither you nor your family is here with me, so I don't know what you are talking about. Secondly, I didn't realize that you are so attached to living in a basement that you think it it your mother. Lastly, I am not the one hiding my deeds from my parents. In other words, were you raised in a barn where you were taught to act like an animal?
"Lawsuits like that have been filed and a few years ago, a jury awarded a large sum of money to the family of a drunk driver who was killed coming home from a baseball game. In other words, not only was the lawsuit not frivolous, it ended up in a judgment for the plaintiff."
---So who was held liable? The baseball stadium? The bartender? The beer seller? The lawsuit is frivolous, just because a dirty lawyer was able to fool a jury doesn't mean this isn't bullshit. John Edwards used to play the same game everytime a child was born mentally retarded, he would sue the doctors, jurors felt misplaced compassion and he would win.
"Which would mean consent. Stick to the argument here, Bobby / Herschel. Knepper wrote that a drunk woman going back to a guy's room is consent."
---I guess you must be a feminist if you think a drunken woman can't give consent. By the way, what if it's the guy that gets drunk and the woman decides to take advantage of him? Is it not rape then?
"Okay. Then we agree."
---Thank God.
"Apparently I remember the case better than you do. Crystal Magnum never recanted her ever changing story. In fact, she wrote a book claiming that her account was accurate. There is more to the story, but your account is simply wrong."
---Do you believe her?
"Whore" as in "prostitute?" The same type of woman that you frequent and think is great?
---It ain't great if she's gonna consent to sex and then cry rape.
"I am pretty darn sure that neither you nor your family is here with me, so I don't know what you are talking about."
---You mentioned my mother's basement, unless you know me in the real world, I don't need you telling me where I live.
"Lastly, I am not the one hiding my deeds from my parents."
---I know! You're a saint! America's Perfect Son! Congratulations.
Carol G. said, "In the name of honesty, assuming anyone still cares about that, men are aware (and women even more aware) of the fact that a woman has "many" ways of letting you know she wants to have sex without actually saying so."
And that's the whole problem. Women play these mind-games with men and with each other that make the things inconsistent and unclear. You speak of honesty, so why not practice what you preach. If women would simply be honest and say what they mean and mean what they say, there would be far less miscommunication and misunderstanding.
Then Carol G. said, "Of course, if it turns out, after she regains what little common sense she has, that the sex was with someone she doesn't think is so hot, it's rape. Other wise, it's just a good night."
Excuse me?!? What the f*ck?!? So you are saying that if a woman consents but doesn't think the guy was worth it, it's rape? I really hope your boyfriend or husband fully understands your stance on this and really watches his back.
Easier to be gay!
---So who was held liable? The baseball stadium? The bartender? The beer seller?
The vending company, the stadium authority and the beer manufacturer.
The lawsuit is frivolous, just because a dirty lawyer was able to fool a jury doesn't mean this isn't bullshit.
Once again because you were shown to be wrong, you change the parameters of your point. You initially said, ---Yes, and they are lawsuits that lack merit unless a judge says otherwise." By letting the case go forward, a judge found the case had merit. Your point has been shown to be in error.
---I guess you must be a feminist if you think a drunken woman can't give consent.
Obviously we are back to you demonstrating that reading and comprehending is not your strong point. Once again, the article stated that going back to a room with a guy WAS consent. It is not.
---Do you believe her?
Geez man, this is what you come up with? You were wrong on the facts of this case and all you can say is "do you believe her?" Do you not have any intellectual honesty and integrity? Are you so immature that you cannot admit that you were in error?
As to your question, I believe her as much as I believe you. Both of you lie and fabricate to play the victim, and to make your fabricated points of view appear stronger.
---It ain't great if she's gonna consent to sex and then cry rape.
Magnum never consented to sex, and there was no sex or rape. That was the whole point of the case, Bobby. But according to you, Crystal Magnum is just like the women you hire to get your rocks off. She is no different than the women you pay for sex.
---You mentioned my mother's basement, unless you know me in the real world, I don't need you telling me where I live.
Why not? You don't remember? You forget facts all the time, so I don't see the harm in reminding you where you live and sponge off of.
---I know! You're a saint! America's Perfect Son! Congratulations.
Thanks. It gives you something to strive for as obviously you are not only ashamed of your actions, but your family as well.
"The vending company, the stadium authority and the beer manufacturer."
---Great, so because one asshole decides to drink too much now three different companies have to pay. What happened to personal responsibility?
"Once again, the article stated that going back to a room with a guy WAS consent. It is not."
---It's not consent if the woman says "stop." But if the woman is kissing you, grabbing your ass, and asking you to do her. That sounds like consent to me no matter how drunk she is. Or should we make our women sign a form before we do them?
"Are you so immature that you cannot admit that you were in error?"
---Other people here agree with my position, are they in error?
"Why not? You don't remember? You forget facts all the time, so I don't see the harm in reminding you where you live and sponge off of."
---You can't remind me of where I live because you've never visited me!
"Thanks. It gives you something to strive for as obviously you are not only ashamed of your actions, but your family as well."
---Tell me, if your father supported gun control and you don't, should you feel ashamed? Or does shame apply only for the things you find immoral? I'm proud of my family, but what works for them does not work for me.
---Great, so because one asshole decides to drink too much now three different companies have to pay. What happened to personal responsibility?
Great. Because you were wrong on this issue, you want to change the subject.
---It's not consent if the woman says "stop."
If a woman goes back to a college room that means she wants sex? Are you that friggin' stupid?
(That is a rhetorical question as we all know the answer.)
But if the woman is kissing you, grabbing your ass, and asking you to do her.
Once again, a diversion from you. None of the above is the woman giving consent merely because she went to a room.
That sounds like consent to me no matter how drunk she is.
None of the above is consent from merely returning to the room.
Or should we make our women sign a form before we do them?
In your case, the woman only have to agree to a price.
---Other people here agree with my position, are they in error?
Read again. No one here has agreed with the premise that walking back to a room is consent. No one. This is just another fabrication from you.
---You can't remind me of where I live because you've never visited me!
Why would I want to live in your mother's basement and be subjected to your delusions and whoring around?
---Tell me, if your father supported gun control and you don't, should you feel ashamed?
What a really stupid question. If I was for gun control, I would have no problem telling my parents that I was. In fact, my parents and I often disagree on political issues. Neither of us is "ashamed" of the the other because we do not hide our opinions and are not ashamed of what we believe.
Or does shame apply only for the things you find immoral?
So you are ashamed of your hiring of prostitutes and that is the reason your don't tell your mother? Interesting.
I'm proud of my family, but what works for them does not work for me.
The prostitution, lying, and narcissism that you believe in does not work for most people. If it works for you, you should be proud of it and it shouldn't matter what others think.
Clearly you are ashamed of your own actions.
I feel sorry for your family.
"If a woman goes back to a college room that means she wants sex? Are you that friggin' stupid?"
---There is a reason Christian colleges have male dorms and female dorms.
"Once again, a diversion from you. None of the above is the woman giving consent merely because she went to a room."
---Well, obviously she has to give consent IN the room or wherever the sex is going to take place.
"In your case, the woman only have to agree to a price."
---Everyone has a price, why do you think men buy women dinner, jewelry, movie tickets, teddy bears, chocolates and all that crap? Sure, some men are romantic, some men are generous, but other men are trying to get laid. Donald Trump may be a fascinating individual, but I doubt that's the reason he gets such beautiful wives.
"Read again. No one here has agreed with the premise that walking back to a room is consent. No one. This is just another fabrication from you."
---No, but your premise is that having sex with a drunken woman is rape.
"Why would I want to live in your mother's basement and be subjected to your delusions and whoring around?"
---Why would I want to live in your farmhouse and be subjected to daily beatings by my father? There, you like it when people speculate on your life?
"So you are ashamed of your hiring of prostitutes and that is the reason your don't tell your mother? Interesting."
---No, I don't tell them because most people are not comfortable discussing sex with their parents.
"The prostitution, lying, and narcissism that you believe in does not work for most people. If it works for you, you should be proud of it and it shouldn't matter what others think."
---There's a difference between having pride and bragging. I'm also not interested in having arguments with my family, my views are made up and I'm not going to have them challenging me.
"I feel sorry for your family."
---You don't even know them. Well, someday your holier than thou attitude will come to bite you in the ass.
---There is a reason Christian colleges have male dorms and female dorms.
American University is not a Christian College. Nice try on the diversion.
---Well, obviously she has to give consent IN the room or wherever the sex is going to take place.
Then you disagree with the writer of the article. Good. If you had only said that earlier you wouldn't have made yourself look like a fool.
---Everyone has a price,
I guess your experience is speaking here. All the women you have been with have had a price that you have paid. In cash. For services rendered.
---No, but your premise is that having sex with a drunken woman is rape.
Once again, you demonstrate that you have reading and comprehension problems.
---Why would I want to live in your farmhouse and be subjected to daily beatings by my father? There, you like it when people speculate on your life?
So you are living in your mother's basement and your father beats you? No wonder you have issues.
---No, I don't tell them because most people are not comfortable discussing sex with their parents.
Most people have problems telling their parents that the only way they can be intimate with a woman is to pay for the service.
There. Fixed that for you.
---There's a difference between having pride and bragging.
Bragging? Bragging about being a liar, a narcissist and hiring prostitutes? You think that is something to brag about?
I'm also not interested in having arguments with my family, my views are made up and I'm not going to have them challenging me.
So let;s see. You don't display your views to your family because you are ashamed of what you believe and do. You don't show them at work because you are afraid they will get you in trouble. You have said that you and your friends (if you really have any that aren't being paid for the service) don't discuss your views for fear you will lose your friends.
Gee, I guess that means that the only time you let people see your lying, whoring, narcissistic self is online. That is fascinating. Most people grow out of the online fantasy realm but you stay in it. No wonder you display such immaturity.
Just be careful of those pizza rolls your mom makes for you. The filling can be hot.
---You don't even know them.
I feel sorry for any family who has a member that is ashamed of what he does and what his family stands for.
"American University is not a Christian College. Nice try on the diversion."
---The point I'm trying to make is that Christian Colleges KNOW students are more likely to have sex if they share close quarters.
"I guess your experience is speaking here. All the women you have been with have had a price that you have paid. In cash. For services rendered."
---No, not all the women, but even when you date some ugly broad she expects you to pick up the tab unless she's one of those feminists in which case you're not getting any, so why bother?
"Bragging? Bragging about being a liar, a narcissist and hiring prostitutes? You think that is something to brag about?"
---I was talking about you.
---The point I'm trying to make is that Christian Colleges KNOW students are more likely to have sex if they share close quarters.
Sorry, but you are wrong. In schools that have both mens dorms, womens dorms and co-ed dorms, there is no difference in the rate of sexual activity.
---No, not all the women, but even when you date some ugly broad she expects you to pick up the tab unless she's one of those feminists in which case you're not getting any, so why bother?
There ya go. You believe that unless a woman "puts out" or is willing to be a prostitute for you, she is worthless.
That is pitiful.
---I was talking about you.
How can you be talking about me? I am not the one hiring prostitutes. I am not the liar. I am not the narcissist.
You are.
You keep talking how you don't care what people think and yet you are so ashamed of who you are and what you do that you don't tell your parents, friends, or co-workers your beliefs or actions.
Don't try to project your inadequacies on others.
"Sorry, but you are wrong. In schools that have both mens dorms, womens dorms and co-ed dorms, there is no difference in the rate of sexual activity."
---I would think sex would be more common in co-ed dorms, there's certainly more temptation if your roommate is a girl, wouldn't you say?
"There ya go. You believe that unless a woman "puts out" or is willing to be a prostitute for you, she is worthless."
---I believe that if a woman is gonna take my money and waste my time, the least she can do is put out. If she's not gonna put out, I'd rather spend time with my male friends.
"How can you be talking about me? I am not the one hiring prostitutes. I am not the liar. I am not the narcissist."
---No, but you are arrogant, self-righteous and holier than thou. All you do is judge others, you never judge yourself or speak of your own sins.
Remember, George W. Bush was a HUMBLE president. He never got angry with his critics, he didn't forget his role as a public servant and never spoke ill of his predecessor.
---I would think sex would be more common in co-ed dorms, there's certainly more temptation if your roommate is a girl, wouldn't you say?
No, I wouldn't say that at all. Just because you can't control your urges, don't put your failings on others.
---I believe that if a woman is gonna take my money and waste my time, the least she can do is put out. If she's not gonna put out, I'd rather spend time with my male friends.
There ya go. You think that all women are good for is being a prostitute.
Geez you really need to grow up.
---No, but you are arrogant, self-righteous and holier than thou. All you do is judge others, you never judge yourself or speak of your own sins.
That is funny coming from you. It really is. You believe that anyone who stands up to you, demonstrates that you are wrong, shows that you are a liar, and accurately labels your behaviour and actions as being "holier than thou."
It is the type of leftist deflection we all have come to expect from you.
Remember, George W. Bush was a HUMBLE president. He never got angry with his critics, he didn't forget his role as a public servant and never spoke ill of his predecessor.
George is a really bad example, but I will take it for now. You see, George didn't lie. You do. George didn't fabricate things. You do. George didn't try to silence those he disagreed with. You do. George loved the military and the men and women who serve. You hate them. George admitted his failings and transgressions to his friends and family. You don't. George didn't blame others for his failings. You do.
In the strictest sense of the word, I am not a public servant nor are you my predecessor, so trying to bring that up is just plain silly.
In other words, if you want to start throwing comparisons between people around, start with the person in the mirror.
Until then, like the prostitutes tell you all the time, you are just shooting blanks.
Women are nothing more than holes that we fill. Unless they can prove they are more, then there is no need for discussion.
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