tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post4822067350243712368..comments2024-03-27T01:58:17.583+13:00Comments on Tongue Tied 3: jonjayrayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13363092874281160320noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-83244243764963285252012-03-07T06:37:05.070+13:002012-03-07T06:37:05.070+13:00Yep, and despite all the very obvious evidence of ...Yep, and despite all the very obvious evidence of astronomy and cosmology that we have today .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-63725945392017485832012-03-07T05:10:40.156+13:002012-03-07T05:10:40.156+13:00Even the creationists have had to accept the evide...Even the creationists have had to accept the evidence of evolution and so have tried to get round it by contriving the concept of "micro-evolution" (within species - however species may be vaguely defined) as opposed to "macro-evolution" (a longer period of time where species differentiate due to separation in time and locality). The distinction of course is contrived indeed.<br />Creationists like to dwell on "fossils" as though that was all "evolution" was about. There are many other co-confirmers, especially the science of genetics. <br />In short, creationists are fighting a battle that has no better prospect of success than the flat-earth believers (and some even defy all geological evidence that the planet Earth is no older than a few thousand years, simply based on some vague calculation of people's ages as recorded in the Old Testament!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-23328212714701753672012-03-07T04:44:59.837+13:002012-03-07T04:44:59.837+13:00Evolution is only the skeleton of a scientific the...Evolution is only the skeleton of a scientific theory so far but maybe one day they will put flesh on it<br /><br />Seems hard to imagine at the moment, thoughjonjayrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363092874281160320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-28085884301276987532012-03-07T04:37:06.241+13:002012-03-07T04:37:06.241+13:00The ironically named "Pravda" shows his ...The ironically named "Pravda" shows his ignorance of science. The theory of gravity refers to the "how & why" behind the phenomenon of gravity, while the law of gravity refers to certain of its effects. Likewise, evolution is a biological fact (change over time), while the theory of evolution refers to the possible "mechanics" behind it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-2047668600681544802012-03-06T07:40:06.826+13:002012-03-06T07:40:06.826+13:00In Luke's own link it says about Robert Yastro...In Luke's own link it says about Robert Yastrow "In his later years, he explored the idea of a creator of the universe or a first cause. "I'm an agnostic because I see the thrust of the discoveries toward the idea of a first cause, but everything else I know about humankind and the universe tells me that it could have happened without an overarching plan," he said.<br />WITHOUT AN OVERARCHING PLAN !!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-78907964503763514792012-03-06T07:02:24.483+13:002012-03-06T07:02:24.483+13:00Luke is quote-mining again! He talks about "t...Luke is quote-mining again! He talks about "truth" but he's only interested in promoting a theology based on ancient Hebrew/Babylonian/Egyptian religions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-43737462346429608522012-03-06T06:50:12.250+13:002012-03-06T06:50:12.250+13:00Evolution is poppycock pure poppycockEvolution is poppycock pure poppycockKee Birdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-50718037761609734872012-03-06T06:28:44.541+13:002012-03-06T06:28:44.541+13:00"For the scientist who has lived by his faith..."For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about the conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."<br />— <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/17/local/me-jastrow17" rel="nofollow">Robert Jastrow</a>, founder of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space StudiesUse the Name, Lukenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-9888423387423968882012-03-06T05:12:43.897+13:002012-03-06T05:12:43.897+13:00This thread is like an argument between medieval t...This thread is like an argument between medieval theologians and those who look for actual scientific evidence. <br />Sad that it's taking place in the 21st century; but maybe understandable when most of the posters here are reactionary Americans! <br />Obviously JJ from DownUnder likes to stir up the pot (as he has even admitted), which keeps his own site alive, of course, which is why he mainly concentrates on the subjects of atheism and homosexuality; because while the US sinks under debt and turning into a 3rd-world country, the populous would rather argue over gay-marriage and abortion, etc. Talk about re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic (1912-2012 seems quite appropriate!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-66211008364870704202012-03-06T02:22:57.030+13:002012-03-06T02:22:57.030+13:00Evolution is simply silly, it is all about their e...Evolution is simply silly, it is all about their egos,, Creationism is well established. The big bang..omg, poleese.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-2616189231342957752012-03-06T01:46:00.858+13:002012-03-06T01:46:00.858+13:00LOL
I thought that would generate some heat!
Glad...LOL<br />I thought that would generate some heat!<br /><br />Glad some readers understand what a scientific theory isjonjayrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363092874281160320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-79627457787203639272012-03-06T00:04:36.185+13:002012-03-06T00:04:36.185+13:00Anon 3:59, you're the pot calling the kettle b...Anon 3:59, you're the pot calling the kettle black when you claim JJ is ignorant of the facts. Perhaps if you actually understood science and the scientific method, you would relaize a couple of things.<br /><br />1. Gravity isn't a theory, it is a law. Trying to imply that science's knowledge on evolution is anywhere near our knowledge on gravity is duplicitous and flat out wrong.<br /><br />2. The scientific method does not prove things to be true. It merely provides a model for understanding our world. While it takes much investigating and experimentation to provide a level of knowledge great enough to advance a hypothesis to a theory, only one valid experiment that contradicts the theory can debunk it. <br /><br />People that think that science proves their perspective simply don't understand science or history. Today's proven facts are washed away by tomorrow's dicoveries.Pravdanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-28272146897072574312012-03-05T16:53:26.484+13:002012-03-05T16:53:26.484+13:00We have two groups shouting at each other, one say...We have two groups shouting at each other, one saying, "We know who created man, therefore evolution doesn't exist" and the other crying, "We know how man came to be, therefore God doesn't exist."<br /><br />Here's a thought: how about the one side admit that God could have used evolution to create man, and the other consider that God may exist and intelligently used evolution to create man.<br /><br />Then both side just shrug their shoulders and say, "We really don't know. It's just what we believe."<br /><br />Personally, although I believe God created man, I've found nothing in scripture that outlines the process he used. Evolution may well have been his method. <br /><br />And there is nothing in the theory of evolution that convinces me God does not exist or had nothing to do with man's creation.Deannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-80879907172766595512012-03-05T14:37:28.375+13:002012-03-05T14:37:28.375+13:00Francis Collins is the world's leading authori...Francis Collins is the world's leading authority on genetics, having lead the Human Genome Project.<br /><br />Collins, currently Director of the National Institutes of Health, is an outspoken evangelical apologist. <br /><br />He's also an evolutionist. <br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins" rel="nofollow">source</a><br /><br />Creationism is nonsense, but it serves a purpose. It provides an unyielding critical review of everything evolutionists dole out. <br /><br />What's wrong with that?<br /><br />Critical peer review is essential for establishing valid scientific theories. <br /><br />Suggestion anonymous 3:59 - Don't start a pissing contest with John Ray. You're outclassed.Aspergers.lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12621931936307980825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-39964342432483962582012-03-05T14:00:03.581+13:002012-03-05T14:00:03.581+13:00Survival of the "fit enough" -- no more ...Survival of the "fit enough" -- no more precise, but maybe more accurate, fit enough to breed?<br /><br />I have to agree with JJ, saying "I don't know (yet)" would be a useful intellectual exercise for most of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-91868517634060073542012-03-05T11:43:55.191+13:002012-03-05T11:43:55.191+13:00All of this discussion is irrelevant. What it rele...All of this discussion is irrelevant. What it relevant is that a group of biologists are trying to force a publishing company not to publish a book contrary to their own opinions. We have seen this happen before - when a group of scientists managed to get a company to pull out of publishing Velikovsky's <i>Worlds in Collision</i>. Yes, Velikovsky's ideas were nonsence, but it is the job of scientists to expose nonsence with good evidence, but suppress its publication.Malcolm Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00672612354161787023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-11129703748209758252012-03-05T11:33:04.419+13:002012-03-05T11:33:04.419+13:00Hitler and lennin both used darwinism to establish...Hitler and lennin both used darwinism to establish their radical ideas and ERNEST HINCKLES fake embreo drawings are still being used today in many sience booksGo Away Birdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-9548626735207041152012-03-05T07:15:09.084+13:002012-03-05T07:15:09.084+13:00Anon 5:14,
Other than being a very simplified exp...Anon 5:14,<br /><br />Other than being a very simplified explanation, please point to any factual error in my post. Feel free to ask any microbiologist or use any reliable resource on how a cell works.Use the Name, Lukenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-60478479565985873302012-03-05T06:58:40.255+13:002012-03-05T06:58:40.255+13:00Annon 3:59, you criticize JJ for saying there are ...Annon 3:59, you criticize JJ for saying there are holes in the theory of evolution because he doesn't "understand". Even evolutionary scientists have conceded these holes JJ mentioned. When asked to explain the mechanism they point to the fossils and say "there it is in the fossil record" which explains nothing. Their logic is as follows:<br />A. There is no God<br />B. We are here<br />Therefore<br />C. We must have evolved<br />QED<br />Evolution is billed as science, however the definition of a scientific theory or fact is something that can be tested or repeated in the laboratory. Neither can be done with the theory of evolution. It is not a scientific fact. It does not even qualify as a scientific theory according to the standards of science.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-73777528826602763672012-03-05T06:44:02.253+13:002012-03-05T06:44:02.253+13:00Luke - why don't you actually study the evolut...Luke - why don't you actually study the evolution of DNA and cells, instead of copy-pasting Creationist website mis-information, which you clearly don't understand either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-84070486084037699832012-03-05T06:37:18.478+13:002012-03-05T06:37:18.478+13:00The Pope and the Catholic Church endorse the theor...The Pope and the Catholic Church endorse the theory of evolution, and the Pope isn't known to be an atheist!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-12339001109173419412012-03-05T06:36:59.189+13:002012-03-05T06:36:59.189+13:00Here is one of the holes:
Cells are made up (most...Here is one of the holes:<br /><br />Cells are made up (mostly) of proteins. Proteins are built from amino acids using the design stored in DNA. That building (and folding) process is performed by proteins.<br /><br />So which came first, the proteins? Or the DNA that defines them?<br /><br />Remember, without proteins DNA is meaningless. And without the DNA defining the same proteins that do the building, the cell dies when the building proteins break down.<br /><br />Also, scientists are working on figuring out what the absolute minimum number of proteins are needed for a cell to survive on its own. (I.e., not being a parasite, which requires another cell with at least the minimum number of proteins in order to survive.) The number is somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 proteins.<br /><br />Proteins are made up of anywhere from 100 to 1,000 amino acids. DNA requires 3 nucleotides to define one amino acid. That means a DNA strand must have a minimum of 300 nucleotides (A, G, C, or T) to define the simplest protein.<br /><br />The odds against a single strand of DNA defining just one of simplest functional proteins by chance exceeds the estimated number of atoms in the entire universe by a vast margin. And even if you get that strand, you still need several functional proteins to already exist to read that strand.<br /><br />Sorry, but given those odds, I don't have any where near enough faith to be an atheist.Use the Name, Lukenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-61361039581369355322012-03-05T06:17:22.757+13:002012-03-05T06:17:22.757+13:00And ignorant people often think "fittest"...And ignorant people often think "fittest" means physically stronger, when it only means being capable of surviving and reproducing (or in social animals, contributing to the group/colony). Even pure luck may be involved - being in the right environment at the right time. A stong man may be shot dead while living in a violent neighborhood, but if he had the luck or sense to live in a peaceful place he might live longer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-66005750788709435372012-03-05T05:53:51.710+13:002012-03-05T05:53:51.710+13:00Actually, "survival of the fittest*" is ...Actually, "survival of the fittest*" is not a tautology. <br /><br />To be sure, "fitness" is defined only in terms of offspring an organism leaves behind, so the more average offspring a group of organisms has, the fitter it is. However, fitness can be correlated with observable physical, biological, and biochemical traits, and "survival of the fittest" predicts that organisms with those traits associated with producing more offspring will tend to dominate over those that produce fewer.<br /><br />Not only not a tautology, but so obvious that it's amazing it took until Darwin to formalize it.<br /><br />* should be "fitter"Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09767954910569442805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-71997345878896896412012-03-05T05:45:19.975+13:002012-03-05T05:45:19.975+13:00Annon 3:49 yiur a total igoramus if you think evol...Annon 3:49 yiur a total igoramus if you think evolution is well established Have you been reading CARL SAGAN books or wacthing his silly program COSMOS running all over the universe in his goofy sea urchine shaped vessel IMAGINATION? Your totaly patheticBird of Paradisenoreply@blogger.com