tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post8079592754452774407..comments2024-03-27T01:58:17.583+13:00Comments on Tongue Tied 3: jonjayrayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13363092874281160320noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-24225880754555638822017-05-02T02:33:17.646+12:002017-05-02T02:33:17.646+12:00Rights go with responsibilities, and no rights can...Rights go with responsibilities, and no rights can negate another person's rights, such as someone's wish to promote their personal religious/political views at a school, and another's wish not to hear about it at an institution intended for a different purpose. In the end there has to be compromise - "Your liberty to swing your fists ends just where my nose begins"!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-28830127295355584292017-04-30T05:31:58.458+12:002017-04-30T05:31:58.458+12:00I wonder to what extent 4:14 would uphold the righ...I wonder to what extent 4:14 would uphold the right of islamist-supporting students in a US school to provoke aggressive discussions which the school felt would likely lead to a great deal of disruption in the school; and what the school's rights were to take steps to prevent it in the first place. 4:14/3:33 may claim to "support people's rights", but rights and freedoms are not open-ended even in the Constitution or there would be social chaos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-37138820338269887902017-04-30T03:30:19.464+12:002017-04-30T03:30:19.464+12:004:14 AM You willfully misrepresent somebody's ...4:14 AM You willfully misrepresent somebody's position, and try to make yourself out to be a champion of human rights - pathetic!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-85069653082998783522017-04-29T04:14:31.513+12:002017-04-29T04:14:31.513+12:00Anon 2:38,
I apologize if you think that people w...Anon 2:38,<br /><br />I apologize if you think that people who are against the rights of people should not be commented upon.<br /><br />Funny that you are making such a claim this site.<br /><br />As I said, there is a difference in the two positions of rights existing and then being limited and rights only being granted. That's a big deal and not a strawman at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-60125661555280254942017-04-29T02:38:50.372+12:002017-04-29T02:38:50.372+12:003:33 you seem to enjoy making a bigger issue out o...3:33 you seem to enjoy making a bigger issue out of 2:14's comment than is in any way warranted - even to the extent of setting up "strawmans". And your last sentence is the worst!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-70421271794650896722017-04-28T03:33:57.765+12:002017-04-28T03:33:57.765+12:00Anon 7:09,
You want to know why I commented on yo...Anon 7:09,<br /><br />You want to know why I commented on your post? This is why:<br /><br /><i>Well neither political/social or religious promotions should go on in schools.....</i><br /><br />As I said while you may think what "should" happen in schools, that is not the law of the land. In fact, the cited Tinker case was about some kids who wore a black armband to school in protest of the VIetNam war. Their protest was political in nature - something that you think should not be allowed in schools.<br /><br />And then their is this:<br /><br /><i>so long as it doesn't involve verbal promotion of their significance (and if asked, then explained as not relevant in the school environment).</i><br /><br />So if a kid wears a cross, you don't think they have the right to explain what that cross means? You think that schools can tell kids what to think and do at all times during the day? You think that kids can't answer questions because they are "outside of the approved curriculum?" <br /><br />They can't. Despite what you want and think should happen, people - even teachers - don't lose their rights because they cross the property line of a school. <br /><br />There is a huge difference in what your point is and what mine is. You start out by banning things and then look for exceptions. I start out from the point if the speech and expression is legal and Constitutional until if crosses a line. <br /><br />Your position seems to attack the rights of people. Mine supports people's rights.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-11952355158278944952017-04-27T19:09:18.826+12:002017-04-27T19:09:18.826+12:006:48 - Why do you pick on me and not 3:47 who was ...6:48 - Why do you pick on me and not 3:47 who was more or less saying what I said. You also agree with my main point as regards schools having the right to restrict expressions that may disrupt the education of others. Or are you argumentative for the sake of it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-73222082199840818912017-04-27T18:02:23.154+12:002017-04-27T18:02:23.154+12:00Now you know why our public schools are so bad its...Now you know why our public schools are so bad its becuase of the leftists NEA and the Dept of Education We need new faces in the Dept of Education and no one from the NEA and no Common CoreSpurwing Plover the fighting shorebirdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-43760192328712201712017-04-27T06:48:38.441+12:002017-04-27T06:48:38.441+12:00Anon 2:14,
It can hardly be argued that either st...Anon 2:14,<br /><br /><i>It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate. (Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District ) </i><br /><br />Without trying to be insulting, your opinion of what :"should" occur is not the law of the land. People do not give up their rights - including the right of religious expression just because they cross a property line onto school property.<br /><br />The school may impose some restrictions on complete expressions as Courts have recognized that speech and expression should not disrupt the education of others. Clearly a child or even a teacher wearing a cross is not a disruption. Kids talking about religion and even proselytizing on their own time such as before and after school as well as during lunch breaks and free periods is protected. <br /><br />One should be leery of advocates who seem to wish to slowly whittle the rights of people away <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-75419253105165195862017-04-27T03:47:36.479+12:002017-04-27T03:47:36.479+12:00It is time to take politics and social issues out ...It is time to take politics and social issues out of schools where they should never have been. It is time to tell teachers to leave their politics, their religion and their gender opinions/orientation at the school gate. It is bad enough that higher educations allow these activities to distract the focus of education on students trying to learn and achieve a good future for themselves and become productive for their family and their country. If you want to teach then teach, don't preach. Stop pushing your opinions on young people trying to make sense of a crazy world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-84722561243505879672017-04-27T02:14:38.602+12:002017-04-27T02:14:38.602+12:00Well neither political/social or religious promoti...Well neither political/social or religious promotions should go on in schools (either by teachers or students), where the object of the school should be simply to conduct the approved educational curriculum. On the other hand, there should be no reasonable objection to simply wearing a small and discreet item of jewelry or badge (such as a cross or a rainbow) so long as it doesn't involve verbal promotion of their significance (and if asked, then explained as not relevant in the school environment).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com