tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post6333541045584303816..comments2024-03-27T01:58:17.583+13:00Comments on Tongue Tied 3: jonjayrayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13363092874281160320noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-26254902136765383942017-12-13T20:26:49.451+13:002017-12-13T20:26:49.451+13:00But doesn't that cause issues Stan.
Let's ...But doesn't that cause issues Stan.<br />Let's say you go along and wear the gear because you support the cause.<br />Unbeknownst to you, the organisers have planned something more inflammatory.<br />Is your identification with the group enough to 'buy in' to the violence, even though you knew nothing about what was planned?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-48492323432604895892017-12-13T02:18:55.695+13:002017-12-13T02:18:55.695+13:00Anon 7:20 -
it is the premeditation of the viole...Anon 7:20 -<br /><br /> it is the premeditation of the violence by a self-identifying organization that caused the conditions required to trigger RICO prosecution. If you go to a rally in "street clothes" and the rally turns violent, and you have no ties to the group which PREMEDITATED the violence, you have no worries. However, if you joined the group BECAUSE they were planning to become violent, then you have a problem, whether you actually committed the violence or not.Stan Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08431525171296921684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-79386896438583061522017-12-12T19:41:06.062+13:002017-12-12T19:41:06.062+13:00Remember those miserble little collage Bolsh...Remember those miserble little collage Bolsheveks like to try and shout down conservative speakers their all scum on the very bottom of the swampSpurwing Plover the fighting shorebirdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-17754762335953702692017-12-12T19:20:48.084+13:002017-12-12T19:20:48.084+13:00It might well have significant effects on free spe...It might well have significant effects on free speech.<br />If, by participating in a rally, you also bear potential criminal liability if that protest gets out of hand and criminal damage is caused - then the freedom to assemble and march in support of a cause will be jeopardised.<br />It is the classic issue of mass rallies. Some are there for one thing, some another, but they all get lumped together when something goes bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-37898173582720874772017-12-12T12:33:55.423+13:002017-12-12T12:33:55.423+13:00Typical spoiled brat liberals cant take the fac...Typical spoiled brat liberals cant take the fact the american people made their choice so why dont these little snowflakes and anarcists scumballs just go and Soak their HeadsBird of Paradisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-16044898908168441722017-12-12T11:48:47.564+13:002017-12-12T11:48:47.564+13:00This is an interesting case – a case which could e...This is an interesting case – a case which could easily lead to abuse and shutting down of free speech. Imagine how a Hillary, a Barack or a Bernie could misuse an overly broad decision in this case. I can easily see a younger, stupider me getting caught up in some protest that villains turned violent.<br /><br />Having said that, there is a great difference between going to a non-violent demonstration in street clothes and going to a demonstration expected to go violent dressed in the uniform of violence, including a prosecution avoiding mask.<br /><br />Once the dispersal order is given, any voluntarily remaining person wearing that uniform of violence including prosecution thwarting mask is, at minimum, surely giving cover to those acting violently and thus has entered into a violent RICO conspiracy.<br /><br />It is true that there may be some particularly stupid people who did not foresee their conspiracy becoming violent. But there is an old adage in the law: “Ignorance of the law is no excuse.” In a similar vein, “Stupidity is no excuse.” Indeed, if stupidity were an excuse which of us could, in good conscience, ever convict any Democrat of anything? A plea of "Abject Stupidity" would become a "get out of jail free card" for each and every Democrat in the land.Tidford Tatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14241389916510473563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-37943124668772423692017-12-12T05:48:54.855+13:002017-12-12T05:48:54.855+13:00
Protesting is protesting and is legal but when yo...<br />Protesting is protesting and is legal but when you cross the line and start performing damage to other people and property you have crossed the line between protesting and rioting. <br /><br />It is really simple, these people planned to riot, not protest. They deserve the full punishment for rioting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-14213769121412910942017-12-12T03:30:28.033+13:002017-12-12T03:30:28.033+13:00Rioting and destroying property does not fall unde...Rioting and destroying property does not fall under free speech. Those are criminal acts. <br />Bill R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01903619585133429378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-85383055870881053402017-12-12T02:42:56.280+13:002017-12-12T02:42:56.280+13:00This falls under the RICO Act - that the protester...This falls under the RICO Act - that the protesters, by dressing in a standardized "uniform" knowingly identified with and became part of a "criminal conspiracy." Once you have a criminal conspiracy, you get mass guilt for the bad actions of any player.<br /><br />It's a very well established criminal theory - and the fact that the protesters were organized ahead of time, with the intention to cause a cf, means that they were part of the conspiracy.Stan Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08431525171296921684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32538379.post-81089657705405616172017-12-12T02:17:20.227+13:002017-12-12T02:17:20.227+13:00Protestors think that they can do whatever they wa...Protestors think that they can do whatever they want without respect for others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com